Is America evil, Robert163?
In which you say:
Well lots of other people were bad/evil and Mohammed was even slightly less bad/evil than most of them. Which is fine, so far as it goes. But you must stop there. Your next sentence can not be about how he was a man of peace when he was bad/evil just like everyone else 1400 years ago.
Yes, unequivocally yes.
Your description of my position changes between your first sentence and your last sentence there.
Muslims evil, muslims evil, etc.
Or, you could just state whether you think murder, rape, genocide and slavery are evil… instead of refusing to comment and then criticizing me because I have mischaracterized your past comments.
Evil evil evil Muslims why are you evil evil evil evil? and when did you stop beating your spouses and when did you start believing in Evil!
So, anyway, Christians are pretty much everywhere just as materialistic and money-grubbing as their counterparts in other religions, despite their sacred text explicitly condemning it. So then, we may conclude that the fundamental scripture of a religion does not necessarily compel its adherents to obedience. Except for Muslims, who are uniquely bound to such obedience? Well, OK, why?
Is it genetic? No, the original adherents were all of a similar ethnic derivation, what we call “Arab” these days, but many of them now are Indonesian, amongst others. Does the Koran possess some magical authority that compels obedience? Dangerous ground to tread upon, it implies Authority beyond simple authority.
So, what is it, then? If it simply a matter of scriptural power, then all Muslims would be equally violent and aggressive. And if it is a matter of choice and free will, then the postulate of scriptural authority goes right out the window. Personally, I strongly lean towards that second position, but if Robert can offer a plausible reason why the Koran has a magical power that the Christian Scripture or the Torah do not possess, I am willing to listen, if only for the prospect of being astounded.
Paging Dr. Freud…
Again, numbers and statistics are utterly meaningless in the abstract.
It’s OK to not understand this. I won’t blame you for it. Statistics are finicky stuff. That’s why you’ll never hear the end of professional statisticians’ grousing about their use (and utter dumbing down) in the news.
Oh, but that explains it! Yes, there are texts in Christian Scripture than condemn materialism, but there aren’t five hundred thirty two of them! If there were five hundred thirty two, it would be different!
What about implied? Have you considered the implied???
Remember, evil.
No, of course not.
People are flawed, at the best end of the equation, and downright manipulative and dishonest and self serving at the worst end of the equation. This is why the “bad” parts of the Koran are more problematic than the good ones.
As to why the Jews have rejected the violent proclamations of the OT, IDK, from my understanding there was consensus at some point among Jewish scholars, Lay people and bureaucrats that they would reject those passages, a consensus that was in place almost 1000 years before Mohammed was even born… but there has never been any such universal consensus in the Muslim world.
If, you wish to assert, that Islam is as bad now as Judiasim was 4000 years ago, or christinaity was 100 years ago… then that means it too must be retrofitted and adapt to the modern age.
Look, this is absurd.
First you claim my statements are lacking in fact or substance. Then I provide a handfull of passages that point to the core values of Islam as being a violent religion. Then you pick one of those handfull of passages and attempt to tell me how I misinterpret it. Then… much later… I say in fact, there are 532 such passages. And now you are telling me 532 such passages are not enough to justify my claim.
Please, step back, look at your statements, and you will see how absurd they are.
Did anyone realize that robert knows in his heart of hearts that the muslims and the islam are evil, and wants everyone to know this?
I’m going to ask you to quit saying this. I’ve never said any such thing. I think the religion is evil. Many of it’s followers are evil. They were probably bad people who got corrupted into becoming evil by the influence of a book that advocates rape, murder, theft, genocide and slavery… but I’ve never said all Muslims were evil.
Ah we did not notice you think the Islam and the muslims are evil. And there is implied evil in several hundred words.
thank you for being so clear.
oh and the muslim women not working too.
Remember the evil.
Tell us all what your definition of this “religion” is-?
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Tell us all what your definition of this “evil” is-?
Or you can just say “I don’t have a clue”
Any religion that advocates murder, theft, slavery and genocide is going to be evil. Judiasim, back in the day of Moses and David, was evil. The Aztecs, cutting people open and pulling out their hearts, was evil. Mohammed, murdering people for land and taking slaves and raping women, was evil.
To whatever degree a Muslim, today, in 2015 has distanced themself from that, that precise distance, is the exact distance said Muslim has separated themself from, eivl.
There is but one true understanding and it is the evil … in any case between these two threads it is possible to come to an understanding of the definition of the word futility.