My best guess is that the Republicans have successfully marketed an all or nothing approach. The idea of RINO (republican in name only) is part of this. You can be a Democrat and disagree on an issue and no one will call you a DINO.
That gets them a “claim” on the single issue voters. The whole premise of this thread reflects was what Obama had trouble with in 2008 when his “clinging to God and guns” comment was taken out of context.
You keep trotting this point out like it means something. Kennedy hasn’t been President for, oh, almost 50 years now. Do you actually know any Catholics?
I am not Catholic myself, but everybody else in my house is, and I go to Mass quite often and hear plenty about the church’s political views. There’s a whole lot of Catholics who are voting Republican these days … and it’s all about abortion. That’s it, full stop, end of story. I sometimes think a majority of the Catholic vote would go to Anton LaVey if he was the pro-life candidate running against a pro-choice candidate … they’ve seriously become that much of a one-issue group.
But don’t let the facts distract you from calling those who disagree with you “stupid.”
You realise you’ve pretty much answered your own question as noted in the OP. People who vote republican don’t do so sole because republicans are anti-tax. Republicans have a myriad of other issues such as abolishing abortion, ‘protecting’ marriage, and second amendment rights. These issues are important to enough people that republicans get elected. Saying that republicans get elected sole based on their anti-tax platform is not true.
I am not anti rich. I believe that all Americans should have an opportunity for a decent life. Why are you anti poor people like so many righty ?
You rightys just don’t know how duped you are. You are fearlessly defending those who take an enormous share of our country’s resources and money.
Oh but, name calling and insults. That is where the right can not be matched.
The above has nothing to do with Kennedy. Since 1980, only two Republican candidates have received the majority Catholic vote-- Ronald Reagan and Bush Jr. (the second time). Every other election, the Democrat has received the majority of the Catholic vote. In general, it’s the opposite with Protestants/evangelicals, whereas they tend to vote for the Republican candidate. But don’t let facts stand in your way.
I think you should try rereading whatever I’ve wrote, because then you’ll see the above never occurred.
There have been some limits on abortion and barriers to gay marriage put in place at the state level. But yes, overall, and certainly at the national level, the Republicans are not winning this agenda for their socially-conservative religious constituents.
Given this, I wonder just how long Republicans will have religious backing. Christians are not necessarily committed to the other policies of the Republican Party. Here is a blog that speaks to the small but growing evangelical environmentalist movement. Here a coalition of evangelical and other Christian leaders came out in favor of “protect[ing] funding for programs for hungry and poor people.” Click around on that site for more; yes, top values for them include “religious freedom, children and family, [and] the sanctity of life.” But they also include “the poor and vulnerable, human rights, peace, [and] creation care.” That last is the environmental angle again.
Dontcha just hate it when people’s values aren’t for sale? If there’s anything out there worse than someone who won’t abandon everything they believe the second it becomes convenient for them to do so, I don’t know what is.
Again, this assumption hinges on the notion that a sizable majority of Republicans only vote Republican because of social issues or even stuff like gun ownership. This is simply not true at all. Too few people care about these issues in relation to things such as jobs, the economy or one’s economic well-being, and an even smaller majority votes solely on these issues. Passing it off as such is nothing more than an easy way to gloss over the bigger issues as to why people vote Republican (which, I see, no one wants to touch).
And I still want someone to answer my question. Why don’t Blacks vote Republican since they’re closer to Republicans in that regard than Democrats?
People touched on it, you just don’t like the answer. And the Republicans have repeatedly shown themselves to be much worse than the Democrats when it comes to economics and finance; which brings us back to the answer, that they are stupid, fanatic or evil.
Because of course the Republicans are dominated by anti-black racists and have been for decades. Supporting them is self destructive for anyone who isn’t white.
It’s not an answer. It’s plain and simple obfuscation. It’s like me trotting out the argument that the reason people vote for Democrats is because of their stance on abortion and gay marriage, and that the people who vote Democrat are doing so even though it’s not in their economic interest to do so. Of course, the second I’d make that argument, I’d have 40 posters trying to tell me what’s wrong with that. But apparently, it’s acceptable if you do it. Make sense.
This is wrong on so many levels, I don’t even know where to begin. Would you care to explain how you came to your conclusion?
Or-- and this could a total guess-- the reasons Blacks don’t vote for Republicans even though they’re closer to their views socially than they are with the Democrats is because the Democrats generally want to expand welfare and other social programs, as well as support AA, which would benefit Blacks, while Republicans want to cut them, and don’t support AA, which would harm them. Again, people vote in their own economic self-interest. It’s not a hard concept to understand.
(Oh, I should say people vote in their own economic interest when they’re voting Democrat. When they’re voting Republican, it’s because they’re fanatics who put aside their own self-interest for their beliefs.)
Bolding added. Now, I’m not allowed to call you a liar in this forum, so I won’t. But I would say that your statement "the above never occurred" is, well, a little disingenuous to say the least. As are most of the rest of your arguments.
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There’s not much that I can say other than that I flatly disagree with the things that you’re saying here. You assert that “Blacks and the poor in general” would not share the burden of “raising taxes”, while that burden would instead fall on those who vote Republican. Yet President Obama has not yet taken a single penny in more in taxes above the levels that existed when he took office. Obama and the Democrats cut taxes. It is true that in the recent negotiations, Obama proposed some small tax hikes, but those would have affected only the richest few percentiles if they had become law. So the typical Republican voter and typical Democratic voters would both have their taxes affected by Obama in the same way. Their taxes would be lowered.
As far as spending programs, you claim that Republican voters would not get the benefit of government programs, while Democratic voters would. But once again, the facts speak otherwise. Look at what government programs have gotten big increases in recent years: the military, farm subsidies, the prescription drug benefit, handouts to airlines, handouts to insurance companies, handouts to banks, handouts to the auto industry. Most of these things do not benefit poor blacks. Most of these things do benefit middle- and upper-class white people. This would explain the well-known fact that it’s the Republican-voting states that get the most money from the federal government relative to the economy, while the Democratic-voting states get the least.
No, it is the answer. You are looking desperately for some good reason for people to vote Republican. The problem is, there is no such reason.
It does, because I’m right and you’re wrong. The facts are on my side and not yours.
We just got though watching the Republicans make a show of how incompetent they are at those things, and an 8 year period of Republican mismanagement before that.
Oh, please. The Republicans have be blatantly racist especially against blacks for decades. Regardless of economics supporting them while black is roughly equivalent for a black person voting for the Ku Klux Klan.
As a rule yes. The two parties and their voters are not equivalent. The Democrats are just another political party, mainly distinguished by their gutlessness. The Republicans are plutocrats, loons, fanatics, fools and bigots. The Republicans are the garbage heap of American politics. Voting for them is self destructive for nearly anyone.
BLACK CONSERVATIVE is on a roll of being wrong. I suppose he was in grade school when in 1992, Clinton ran on changing welfare as we know it. Then he signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act that actually changed it. Last time I looked, Clinton was a Democrat. Like most conservatives, they buy into myths and can not see anything that proves them wrong.