Lots of times, posters will admit to minor crimes in a thread.
or…
or…
…the list goes on.
Obviously, the SDMB administrators are justifiably concerned about threads where people discuss how to break the law, but not concerned so much when someone admits that they’ve done it, or do it. IOW, if UnderageDoper says “I took a couple of swigs from the bottle of Old Buzzard Breath my dad keeps in his liquor cabinet,” it’s no big deal. But if UnderageDoper says “Does anyone know of a liqour store in the Chicago metro area that doesn’t card? I need to score some Old Buzzard Breath,” it’s lockdown.
This doesn’t bother me at all, as the SDMB administrators are about protecting the Chicago Reader from lawsuits and not concerned with policing misdemeanors.
HOWEVER…
In a recent thread a poster made a statement that makes it look like he/she routinely commits a pretty serious felony. I’m being oblique because it’s not clear whether or not they were kidding. But assuming they weren’t, does the SDMB management have any sort of obligation to report it? I mean, they know each poster’s home address (or at least the bill on their credit card statements). If someone were to say “I robbed Joe’s Liquors the other night and got away with it,” would there be a call to that poster’s community’s law enforcement?
They sure as hell know mine. I paid for my membership with a credit card, billed to my home address. Is it not fair to assume that most members did likewise?
I’m saying that I don’t think the SDMB staff has access to that information. (When someone sends you a payment via PayPal, is this information abolut them revealed to you? I honestly don’t know this, as I’ve only ever made PayPal payments, not received them.)
A statement on a Message Board is not a statement under oath, and is not (necessarily) evidence of anything. People lie, people make up fictions, people tell wild humorous tales.
If Staff were convinced that there was a serious crime that had been committed, and that there was reasonable indication that someone on our Boards had committed it, we would fully co-operate with the authorities.
That doesn’t mean that Staff would be the ones to turn them in, although we might. But there are lots of Board members who might undertake it on their own to notify authorities.
I’d check the TOS. IIRC, I believe that the information is kept by the Reader (who we purchased the membership subscriptions from) - speficially the Accounting Department who holds the information in as much confidence as one would expect from an Accounting Department. That information is not accessible to the board admins, etc.
There was no small amount of concern about this when the boards went pay. I would run a search and check the specifics, but I believe what I posted was correct.
As for the board staff checking into those records, I think it was done only once and because there was concern that a poster was in life-threatening danger.
AFAIK, if you paid via PayPal, neither your credit card info nor address is transmitted with your order. That’s not part of the info required on the order form.
Not sure what happens if you pay via credit card directly.
The SDMB staff doesn’t have anything to do with the financial end of things, as far as I know. I believe it’s all handled at the Reader’s offices. I had quite a few people email me with problems when we went to a subscription basis, and all I could do is forward everything to Ed, who presumably either took care of things himself or forwarded the forwards.
I can run an IP check on people, but this isn’t something that I do for fun. I only do it when I suspect trolling or sockdom.
So does that mean that if you had two statements that seemed credible and were both criminal, you’d be more likely to check out the more serious one? For example, you might be more likely to look into “I killed someone last week” as opposed to “I smoked a joint last week”?
However, I don’t know how much “looking into” we would do. We’re not the Cecil Adams Detective Agency, after all. I think that, if suspicions were aroused, we’d turn it over to the police and let them take it from there.
And, just to clarify the credit card thing, while the Moderators don’t have access to that information, the READER does. And the READER would certainly comply with any request from authorities to provide such information.
The bottom line on this kind of thing has always been: Don’t post anything on the Message Boards that you wouldn’t want to see on a billboard outside your home.
So how does that work if mrAru or my roomie wants to be a paid member? Do we all have the same IP address? [we have cable modem and it all runs through a single computer out to the rest of the computers in the house=)]
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That question has been addressed before. Lots of folks who co-habitate and both use the Boards have the same IP, that isn’t the problem. When it comes to suspected socks – based on behaviour, posting style, and general asshattery – IP is taken into account in addition to other evidence to back up suspicions.
So fathers/sons, spouses, roomies etc., who use the same internet connection or computer aren’t doing anything wrong.
You probably all have the same IP address. However, unless one or more of you is causing trouble, I’m not even going to be checking the IP addresses. It’s boring and I only do it when I suspect trolling or sock puppetry or other mischief. It would be nice, however, if you dropped a note to one of the moderating staff here, saying that you share a computer with other people.
True. Members’ credit card information entrusted to the Chicago Readershould only be disclosed to people who know how to fill out Illinois subpoena forms.
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