No, it is not. In my state conduct that is punishable only by forfeiture (monetary fine) is not a crime.
Because the second one can result in imprisonment.
Traffic infractions, local ordinance violations, and state forfeiture offenses are not crimes because they can’t result in imprisonment.
Here is the statute:
939.12 Crime defined. A crime is conduct which is prohibited by state law and punishable by fine or imprisonment or both. Conduct punishable only by a forfeiture is not a crime.
Since when is a crime defined as imprisonment only?
The definition you provided says a fine is sufficient.
No it doesn’t. it says the punishment for crimes can be either or both. But for noncrimes it can only be a fine. First offense drunk driving is not a crime here because it can’t be punished with incarceration, only a fine. There are those pushing to make it a crime, however.
So how does a crime differ from a non-crime?
How is @UltraVires in a different position than you for the same infraction that you would say is not a “crime” for you?
I’ll save you some time. It is semantics.
You are both busted. You both pay fines. You are both in more trouble if you continue. There is no relevant difference.
This was already explained to you. Go to bed.
That is a tired reply of yours. You have not answered in either case.
Just admit you got nothing.
Just stepping in to say that pkbites has explained it very clearly in my opinion.
That’s just a sampling.
You can explain things to some people, but you can’t comprehend it for them.
Well, I made one more attempt, but now I think I’m done.
And ignored all of my replies.
Good job.
Trump does stuff like that.
I know it’s a cliché, but it’s rarely more applicable than now.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
-Inigo Montoya
@pkbites: It’s not a crime!
@UltraVires: Really depends on the state. What you say is not a crime is a crime in my state.
@Whack-a-Mole: What’s the difference besides words between the two?
@pkbites: It’s not a “crime”! I proved it?
@Whack-a-Mole: But what’s the difference?
@pkbites: It’s not a crime! You are stupid!
@Whack-a-Mole: That may be but please tell me what the difference is?
@RitterSport: I believe @pkbites
@Telemark: “Princess Bride” reference.
You found me out. I’m actually Donald Trump. Thanks for doxxing me.
Anyway, your replies were wrong or irrelevant. Covfefe!
Modnote: these replies are getting out of hand. Attacking/Insulting posters, Jr. Modding to some degree. Everyone please dial it back.
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No, you’re wrong!
Covfefe!
(Wow…you showed me the way. This is easier way easier than answering posts.)
One gets you a criminal record, one does not.
One is handled by criminal courts, one is not.
One can get you sent to jail, one can not.
Those are real world differences, not semantics. But this has been explained several times in this thread already, so you must have some other objection. Would you care to explain what that objection is?