Unless you’re blaming “illegal” Aedes Aegypti mosquitos, what has this to do with immigrants? And I also why malaria is mentioned.
Those are two glaring deliberate misrepresentations. I wonder how many more your post contains?
I was wondering too.
Regarding hospitals being closed, I do think there is a lot of misleading information there.
The uninsured that are legal, the mismanagement of hospitals, the costs of treatment or just plain too many hospitals than what are needed, are items notoriously left out or minimized from many of those reports.
When those factors are virtually not being considered, you really have to take those biased reports with a monumental grain of salt, and this is not even mentioning that the real truth is that the total number of illegals is not known, so right there one can fairly say that those reports assigning blame to illegals are not accurate.
http://region.princeton.edu/issue_93.html
Looking at the numbers of uninsured, if all those are illegals I have to say that there is a bridge in brooking I may sell to those researchers that blame illegals for all that, point being that by percentage I would expect to see most illegals dropping like flies, frankly I’m not seeing this.
But more to the point: even on the most likely of places (I agree that for hospitals close to the border this is an issue) I did try to find were Fox got the number of 60 percent of the uninsured patients being illegals in LA, and I only got lots of places referring to that Fox report. The logical inference on the report, of who came with that number, is that the State Association of Hospitals in California would have mentioned that, but the reports I could find only mention the uninsured in their reports.
I do indeed can see illegals are a factor, but not the main one for the hospital closings, it is notorious that in the reports I mention here, illegals are not mentioned, I did notice though that Madeleine Pelner Cosman uses FAIR research as a reference, then FAIR pointing to the research of Cosman makes it troublesome to me to say the least, just fear mongering IMHO.
I do think they are using illegals as a convenient way to diminish the real causes of the health care problems in the USA.
I tried to post this a few hours ago, but it wouldn’t go through. But here it is:
Here is a fresh link to the article and the full quote regarding dengue fever:
Here it the full quote regarding malaria. It is from this article.
And more from that article by way of caution. It points to another reason that we should aim for complete control of our borders. Although, the strain on the health care system could be enormous if the nightmare ever materialized.
So, that should explain why both malaria and dengue fever were mentioned. For the dengue fever claim, you simply could have asked why? Same with the malaria. As you can see now, neither were deliberate misrepresntations. But I guess it saves time to make accusations without all the facts. To each his own.
Fact: Dengue is NOT transmitted between humans.
Fact: It is more prevalent in the rainy season in the tropics and subtropics due to higher mosquito populations.
Fact: I live in an area where dengue is a concern.
Fact: Mexico’s Health Secretariat requires all cases to be reported.
Fact: Same secretariat controls outbreaks by controlling mosquito populations and through public awareness campaigns. Workers go door to door to explain how to eliminate mosquito breeding habitat.
Fact: I’ve had dengue.
Fact: My cousin died from the hemorraghic variety due to being misdiagnosed.
Fact: Your so-called “recent virulent outbreak” was 7-8 years ago.
So don’t tell me I don’t know anything about dengue. To insinuate it being caused by immigrants is bullshit.
But don’t take my word for it:
“State and local health officials are urging persons in Texas border counties to take precautions against dengue fever following reports of the illness in two Webb County residents. The viral illness is spread by mosquitoes. One case of dengue fever has been confirmed in a Webb County resident, and another case is suspected. Health officials have not determined if the illnesses were contracted in Texas or in Mexico. Recent cases of dengue fever have been reported in Nuevo Laredo on the Mexico side of the border. Dengue fever is caused by a virus spread to humans by the Aedes aegypti and the Aedes albopictus mosquito species. Both species are plentiful in Texas. Texas Department of Health epidemiologist Julie Rawlings said the species rarely migrate more than a few hundred feet from where they were hatched. She said the best way to reduce the risk of dengue fever is to eliminate mosquito hatching grounds by emptying sources of standing water such as old tires, tin cans, barrels, jars, birdbaths and flower pot bases. She said the best way to reduce the risk of dengue fever is to eliminate mosquito hatching grounds by emptying sources of standing water such as old tires, tin cans, barrels, jars, birdbaths and flower pot bases. Dengue fever is usually treated with fever-reducing agents, fluids and bed rest. Aspirin should not be taken to relieve dengue fever symptoms. The illness is not usually fatal, but a more severe form of the illness, dengue hemorrhagic fever, can be life threatening. Dengue fever is common in Central and South America and in Asia. Texas is the only state in the United States where locally acquired dengue has been confirmed in recent years. Texas recorded one travel-related case of dengue fever in 1998. An outbreak of dengue fever occurred in Texas in 1995 when 29 cases were recorded, including seven contracted in the state.”
Certainly works for you and your cites.
Here’s another example of deliberate misinformation from a source magellan links to:
The wording of that statement is a bit confusing.
If the author is implying that the parents of a child born in the US automatically become US citizens then of course that is incorrect.
If he is saying that children born in Mexico to foreign parents are not automatically Mexican citizens then again he’s full of shit.
Here is what the Mexican Constitution says:
CAPITULO II
DE LOS MEXICANOS
ARTICULO 30 - La nacionalidad mexicana se adquiere por nacimiento o por naturalización.
A. Son mexicanos por nacimiento:
I. Los que nazcan en territorio de la República, sea cual fuere la nacionalidad de sus padres;
I. Los que nazcan en el extranjero de padres mexicanos; de padre mexicano o de madre mexicana;
III. Los que nazcan a bordo de embarcaciones o aeronaves mexicanas, sean de guerra o mercantes.
I don’t know where you get this from. I work in Pico Union, and the undocumented people do everything possible to avoid anything that might draw attention, such as not obeying laws. They won’t even jaywalk. And quite often they ask a native-born person to do some simple task for them, because they’re afraid they won’t know how to do it like the natives. Even when their English is fine.
Their kids, however–once they’ve been in the school system for a while–become typical annoying brats, like all kids in the country.
This, of course, does not include the recent demonstrations. That was one reason why the turn out was so sruprising.
Settle down, Spunky. First I never said you didn’t know anything about dengue. If so, you can show me where. Go ahead, look. Nope. Ain’t there.
Next, most of the “Facts” you present are not in conrtadiction with what I presented through the cites. Yes, dengue is more pravalent in hot and tropical climates. If you hadn’t noticed, Mexico, and points south qualify. Some dengue will come from Asia, even from Hawaii. And some will come from Mexico. I think it is safe to say that more would likely come from Mexico due to proximity and the fact the there is a steady stream of illegals coming in. The fact that it showed up near the southern border and not, say, in Billigs, MT, is further evidence in supoort of the point.
One correction: your claim that dengue is not trasmitted through humans is misleading. Mosquitoes do the actual work, but it is spread when the female bites one human who is already infected and then bites another human who will now be infected. The more infected people that are in any given area, the more the likelihood that another person will be infected if bitten by a mosquito.
Let’s say we have two identical towns, Town A and Town B, both with zero incidence of dengue. We then add 100 people to each Town. Town A gets 100 people from Mexico, Town B gets 100 people from Iceland. Which Town do you think is more likely to have the original inhabitants (just to make this simple) contract dengue fever?
Finally, your last sentence in your quote—“To insinuate it being caused by immigrants is bullshit.”—is nonsense and contradicts the “Facts” you present. Let’s look.
So we have as an agreed Fact that dengue exists in Mexico and that it is viewed as being a serious enough problem that the government does the two things (at least) you mention to stop it beiing spread.
We also know that illegals travel from and through Mexico and cross the border. So unless you can no provide me with proof showing that ALL dengue in Mexico has been eradicated, and that ALL illegals traveliing through Mexico from points south have been checked for dengue and cleared while in Mexico, it seems that the only bullshit here is your very last sentence that calls the claim bullshit.
A contribution of your usual caliber. Thanks for not letting us down.
On review I see that you have also attemped to prove a point that someone is partisan by pointing to the Southern Poverty Law Center. That would be hilarious if it was, in fact, intended to be funny.
Don’t ever stop being you.
Yes, that is precisely what it was in reference to: the recent protests. In just about every other encounter that I can recollect with Mexicans, which I’m sure has included both legal and illegal, they have been nothing but polite people.
First, just a reminder that this is not The Pit. Second, does being dishonest come naturally to you ar do you try extra hard at it? You did this same shit earlier. You find something you don’t like or understand and immediately get all shitty. Why not ask for clarification?
So how is what I’ve linked to “deliberate misinformation”? Are you sayiing that I, or the author, (perhaps both) know what is in the article to be incorrect and realayed that information anyway? In which case I’d ask you for the proof you have of that accusation. Either that or an apology seems to be in order.
Additionally, you start off the whole accusation acknowledging that the staement may be confusing:
Yet, still, you try your hardest to turn whatever it might say to not ony possibly incorrect information, but outright deceit.
The debates with you are coming back to me know, the anger, the dishonesty. If it continues I will bow out, as I have before.
And finally, we have this. Maybe we need an English Only law on SDMB. You know that the language used on this board is English. You know that many people do not speak Spanish. Yet, you post this! Unfuckingbelieveable. Precious, just precious.
Or as my aged neighbor used to say: Lu som dinuda quom setat, lish conqua sot.
Very simple. We may have a moral obligation to provide social welfare to our nation’s poor - not the poor of the world.
When was the last time Mexico wrote a check to help pay for our homeless and/or jobless?
Technically you are correct because children of diplomats are not granted citizenship. A woman in labor walking across the border? The child is given citizenship as has been discussed elsewhere on this board. I believe they’re called anchor babies. Search for it.
Truth hurts doesn’t it.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7250708&postcount=135
“…under current U.S. immigration laws, there is no such thing as an “anchor baby.” Yes, children born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens by birth (and not by naturalization, as someone erroneously stated; naturalization is when one becomes a citizen after birth). However, U.S. citizens cannot petition for their parents to immigrate legally to the U.S. until they are 21 years old. …”
magellan01, I’m wondering a couple things.
- Have you ever tried to migrate to the United States? While it is certainly true that there is a “line,” it is not the sort of thing where you can just grab a ticket and wait for your number to show up. Waiting in line to migrate to the United States is like waiting in line to join the Stonecutters. Of course, that has no bearing on whether it is reasonable to migrate illegally, but I think it is worth remembering that in many ways it is incorrect to imply there is an orderly queue for everyone interested in doing things the right way to join.
Also, with your discussion of American culture being diluted, I have to wonder if you’ve ever left the United States. Let me assure you that your fears are unfounded. The United States is still pleasingly American, and shows no signs of being anything but.
I’ve worked for long periods of time (up to 4 months) in places where Dengue exists in South Texas. These places are close to the border to the point of being right on the border. Legal crossings back and forth day and day and out occur probably in larger numbers than illegal traffic. Blaming Dengue on illegal immigration is just idiotic.
When have we done the same for Mexicans? WIC and indegent care are the only welfare that illegals can recieve in Texas. Unless some states have different rules on welfare, then illegal aliens aren’t getting any social welfare.