“IMO there are more parrelels than not in what Jesus taught and what Buddha taught especially concerning our play in game. I’m sure many Christians disagree.”
Sure there are, I’d agree. There’s also just as many if not more parallels in Satanism; ever read the Satanist Bible? It’s humanism and RPG-style morality.
"Each player pursues their own goals which is what they truly value, apart from any lip service, and reflected in thier in game actions. "
IMO, that’s what people do anyway. They do it by default. If you want to know what someone values, just watch their life. It’ll be self-evident, by definition.
What they say they value, or believe, is moot and usually pretentious bullshit.
Just as cannibal dude and the people eaten is morally ok from thier POV in game, it’s also morally ok for for people to create religions and see if people will follow, and the people who do follow, if all concerned are pursuing their own in game goals. We don’t have to know exactly what those goals are to say, “well, if that’s how you want to play have at it”
of course it’s also morally ok to call bullshit if that lines up with your own in game goals.
"I know this may also smell like prostylisizing but honest, it’s not meant to be. I was just amused by the similarities. :)"
A “prosletyzing perspective” as I termed it (which is different from actively trying to convert people) is only annoying when it’s offensive to logic, to me; that is, when it’s seemingly unconsciously used to attempt to retrofit everything to its own beliefs even when they don’t fit.
If they do fit, then great. That’s just another perspective no problem by me.
It’s just not typically important to any given view being discussed, although it can be interesting to note the similarities; especially when and if xianity for example is subordinated to the evolution of thought and viewed – correctly, in my view – as just one thought among many that have been explored through the years.
By definition, we have to know what their in-game goals are if we’re going to declare their actions as moral or not (the manipulators and manipulateds, to use your terms).
I think we’re saying the same thing.
You seemed to me to be asking about societal morality, which is why the reply got complicated.
Yeah, I think Jesus said something like that although not in those exact words. He proabably did say pretentious bullshit and later the gospels authors decided to tone it down.
I agree. It is the default and no matter what we say, we can’t avoid it.
I’m not sure we can’t avoid our default way of living, but I think we’re agreeing.
I’d hope nothing I’m saying is in the same exact words. If I start sounding like jesus, I’m going to go visit Germany and stop by North Carolina on the way. LOL :eek:
No I was mirroring the quote just above it. So, from their in game avatar perspective it is neither moral or immoral right? Just them pursuing their own in game goals.
You’ll no doubt find the ritualized aspects early on (or towards the end; I haven’t read it in a while) to be garbage insofar as they’re elaborate denunciations of christ; but i’d say they can probably be seen as allegories just like those in the bible against satan except in the case of satanism it’s against ideology represented by christ. The term satan and the name satanism is chosen to be ideologically clear (when in Rome) as to what philosophies they’re opposed to (like turn the other cheek) and to be sensational, I believe; but the core beliefs are frequently overlapping with humanism to a degree I’d say no more or less than xianity for the most part.
If they’re pursing their in-game goals, then yeah that’s how it seems to me.
My point is just that we can’t know what their in-game goals are, so it’s pretty hard to say it’s moral or not without explicitly knowing that in advance.
A person can live their life a certain way and, if they’re bad at noting consequences of actions that violate their in-game goals, they may actually not be living in a way that’s consistent with their values aka in-game goals. I think over the long haul, however, people do tend to live their in-game goals and just can’t or won’t admit what they really are or have become; then again, I think you can change your in-game goals whenever you want.
And that’s all it is. The thoughts and concepts aren’t new. I did a lot of reading on other religions when I left my church and the same concepts keep coming up cloaked in different mythology.
Oh, and I know he made the observation (I’ve read the bible, was raised xian, etc.), I just meant if I start using the identical language to make the observation I’m jumping in an oven. :eek:
Oh, definitely of course. Because xianity is derivative. It’s just postmodern zoroastrianism. And you can go before that. Etc., etc.
The notion of xianity that’s so bold is that it purports to encapsulate those earlier beliefs and make them optimal; which is a common MO of evolving religions like the romans would do when conquering new areas. It’s related to A. Coulter’s recent comment about xianity being the way to ‘perfect’ jews. That’s their concept.
I see Of course the identical languge wouldn’t be understood by too many people, but if you started spouting thees and thous you’d get some interesting looks.
I’m just playing, but he did make that same observation several times.
Of course the identical languge wouldn’t be understood by too many people, but if you started spouting thees and thous you’d get some interesting looks.