If you bought a computer in the next 2 weeks

What would you buy? I have some money now and want to get a new home computer. Would be for generally family purposes:

  1. SDMB
  2. Other 'net stuff
  3. Childrens stuff (educational and fun)
  4. Amateur graphics work (video or photo editing, maybe some design)
  5. Probably some programming and web design

Not likely to be used for hard core gaming.

Would love advice, to hear what other folks have and enjoy, and what do you use your home computer for. I have been in this market for a while, I normally get a new, fancy laptop for work every couple of years so don’t worry too much about home.

thanks,

Shibb

DUDE! You’re gettin a Dell!

sorry… I couldn’t resist

I may need to upgrade soon, and the IT guy at work (he hates it when I call him “the IT Boy”) recommends an iBook laptop. Check it out at http://www2.warehouse.com/apple.asp?sel=ibook&cat=mac&home=mac

All kidding aside, if you’re in the market for a Microsoft machine, then I would heartily recommend a Dell. Great machine for a decent price.

I know you said you wouldn’t be using the machine for hardcore gaming, but honestly that doesn’t change anything. It really won’t make it any cheaper. And, if you do pare down the components because of this, sooner or later you’ll probably encounter something that requires an upgrade, which is almost always more expensive after the fact. My advice is to go ahead and get more than you think you’ll need - it almost never goes to waste.

Especially hard drive space. Whatever you think you’ll need, double it. Then double it again.

Get a Dell. You can get a good tower with speakers and loads of other peripherals, with a P4 processor, for not too much money (don’t know US prices). And they look nice, too. And they’re reliable.

Don’t listen to any of these amateurs. :smiley:

Don’t get any brand name machines, what you save in their bulk buying and whatnot you pay for their advertising, tech support (whether you need it or not), MS tax - all of these machines are preloaded, and so forth. You end up with the short end of the stick.

What you want is an AMD 1600XP machine build by your local computer shop. You get to pick and choose every single thing, and you don’t need to pay for anything extra.

Note that Urban said LOCAL. When buying a computer, do NOT buy from anyplace that doesn’t have a support line you can get through on. There are many places online that will sell you a computer for a low price, customize it to your needs, and then utterly shaft you once you get the thing. Don’t buy from anyplace, online or local, unless you know that if there’s a problem they will take care of it in a timely manner.

I’m gonna 2nd what Urban Ranger said. If its a good company you will get much better service than you would from a big company. You are more important to “local computer shop” than you are to Dell,HP,etc.
dead0man

Thanks for the input so far. I even enjoyed the “Dude…” comment.

Like the comment on a local shop, I’ll have to check around on that. It’s also possible we could build our own. Mrs. ShibbOleth has a CompSci degree and is more techy than I am. I just write good code. :wink:

As per gaming, since I don’t do it I didn’t know if there was anything that was imperative for this pursuit that would be extraneous for anyone else. I guess a nice graphics card would be, but will anyway be required for vid editing etc. Right?

Also, if anybody wants to talk me into a Mac, I’d at least consider hearing them out. Also interested in OS opinions.

I, like others, would recommend building/buying one from a local shop. However, there are benefits and drawbacks to each approach. Some suggestions:

–An Athlon XP system will save you quite a bit of money over a Pentium 4 system (and perform more or less the same, unless you’re talking on the very high end). An Athlon XP 1700+ is a good starting point, but you can get a faster chip if your budget allows it.

Due to architectual differences, the Pentium 2ghz and above performs much better than the 1.8 and below, but you should be able to find decent deals on the 1.8s and below. You’ll probably notice the larger vendors offering good sales on these procs to clear inventory, and they are more than fast enough for todays apps.

–Make sure you get DDR memory, also known as PC2100 (used on both Intel and AMD systems). You can get Rambus memory for the higher-end Pentium systems, but I’d stay away from the very high-end systems due to price premiums. (Your other option is PC133 RAM, but this is at the end of it’s life cycle, and bottle-necks the performance of the most recent processors.) Again, the major vendors are deeply discounting these system. I’d personally stay away from them.

–If you get an AMD system, use a mobo with the VIA KT266A chipet. Any Intel chipset based board is fine for Pentiums, as long as it supports DDR. (the 845 does, I believe)

–Windows XP, at least 256 megs RAM

– a 30 Gb HD is fine, but more is always better.

–Unless your graphics editing is with large, complex files, any of the “second generation” video cards will do. I’d go with an ATI Radeon 7500, or an nVidia-based GeForce 2 (cheap, and more than enough for what you want to do). Only hardcore gamers and graphic editors will benefit from the higher-end cards. 32 mb on the video is enough.

I would avoid budget systems that have “onboard” video that shares the system memory. A seperate video card makes a huge difference. Most of the budget systems offered by the large vendors use onboard video.
Benefits in using a larger vendor (Dell, Compaq, etc)

– free tech support, usually for a year
–generally decent warranty service
Drawbacks:

–generally more expensive than custom built by your local store
–sometimes difficult to customize, so you end up paying for things you don’t need.

If you do buy from a larger vendor, be sure to shop around. I’ve seen the same vendor offer the same system at two different prices, depending on where they advertised.

My personal recommendations for the big guys would be:

  1. Dell
  2. Compaq
  3. IBM
  4. HP/Gateway

You’ll probably get the best bang for your buck from Compaq, but many people are willing to pay the price premium for a Dell due to their reputation and service.

Everything expressed above is my personal opionion - good luck!
–Joe

If you’ll be doing graphics work (even amateur), you’ll need a decent graphics card, a hefty amount DDR RAM and good processing power. I agree with most suggestions, but would recommend a low-end GeForce 3 over a GeForce 2. I’d also not go below 256MB RAM, maybe 512MB. No onboard sound or video.

One thing about Dell and Gateway: last time I checked, neither was offering an AMD option. However, both are good for pricing out systems before heading into a computer shop.

I’d also suggest a LCD monitor; while a 15" CRT might seem tiny, the LCD is awesome. If you can afford it, go 17" or 18".

I know nothing about Macs other than Mac users swear by them, and most of what I’ve read is positive. Make sure before you buy one that any software you need to use is available for a Mac.

You have to be the first person I’ve ever known to actually reccommend a Compaq to someone. Typically, people buy them as a first computer because they’re cheap and at the Best Buy or CompUSA and come to regret it later. I know my Compaq is big piece of junk that likes to reboot itself once a day or so due to the cheap motherboards they installed in that product line (it’s a problem epidemic to the entire line). Honestly, the only way I’d tell someone to buy a Compaq would if their only other option was buying a Packard Bell :smiley:

Just one man’s dissenting opinion.

techbargains.com that’s where I look for stuff, esp computers & Dell in particular. You won’t believe the savings, esp in the forum part where people list deals they did. Right now they are talking about 120 gigHD’s they got for $85 after rebate from Best Buy.

In the PC realm:

I have a Dell laptop and a desktop. In terms of upacking, plugging in, booting up, and surfing the net and doing other ‘light’ chores on a stable, reliable, system it’s hard to beat. I ran into trouble, though, when I turned my desktop into the brain of my home recording studio. It works well in that I can boot up, launch the apps and make music but it took a long time to get there and I could have gotten more for my money had I researched it more thoroughly.

So my advice is, if you want a general purpose net-surfing word processing computer I’d recommend a Dell but if you’re going to do something really intense like graphics (or digital audio) you’re probably better off going to a builder and getting a machine built for that purpose.

In the Mac realm:

If I were to buy a computer in the next couple weeks it could very well be a Mac - but a G4 tower, not an imac. That’s because I’d use it for music and I would need the expansion capabilities of the tower. An iMac might suit your purposes just fine.

For all the stuff that you plan on doing, I would say a Mac is a great choice.
I just got a new iMac today and it’s great. The display quality is top-notch, since it’s all digital.
I don’t want to get into detail about the OS, just saying that it’s based on Unix…
If you want to do video editing, it doesn’t get easier than with iMovie.

      • Someone who doesn’t use a computer for much besides surfing and light photo editing probably will never fill up a 20-gig hard drive even halfway, before it dies in about 5 years anyway. 20-gigs is the smallest HD commonly retailed now.
  • Also, avoid off-the-shelf name brand computers such as Dell, Gateway, Compaq, HP, etc. Have a local shop put a PC together out of name-brand (retail) components. Do not use generic parts! You’ll pay a bit more, but the headaches you save will be your own. - DougC

My recommendations:

-Athlon XP proc, 1600+ and up.

-VIA Mobo.

-246 mb DDR RAM.

-GeForce-2 MX-400 32-mb. Nice and cheap now, reliable, and if you do want to do some casual gaming in the future, it’ll be able to handle it.

-Sound: It may not matter to you, so you can probably stick with the onboard sound card on the motherboard. However, if you care, you can either go the budget way and get either a Turtle Beach card or a Hercules sound card… or you can go the “premium” way and snag a SBLive! Audigy card for a hundred bucks or so.

-Hard drive: Go snag a 30- or 40-gb Maxtor drive… unless you do a LOT of video editing, in which case you’ll want at least 60-gb (for about $150).

-Monitor: Get at least a 17" flat screen (not flat-panel), but if you want to spend a few extra bucks go with a 19". If you REALLY want to drop the cash, you can go with a 17" LCD display (but ditch the 15-inchers… 1024X768 resolution at .297 dot pitch is so-o-o-o early '90s).

-Other stuff: Pick up an optical mouse… they’re not too expensive now, and the improved smoothness is refreshing. If you feel like it, get an “Internet keyboard”… they can also be nifty. If you like to burn CDs, get at least a 16X10X40X CD-RW drive… they’re running at nice low costs these days (or you can go with a 24X10X40X… burn a CD in three minutes). And throw in a good DVD drive.

iMac at home, WinBox at work.

The new iMac has easy-to-use photo album software, recognizes any digital camera. That might appeal to you. The iTunes software is my friend. Converts .aif and .wav to mp3, features equalizer, cross-fades tracks.

If you want microsoft software, you’ll pay for it with a Mac. WinBoxes have the cost of the software built into them. That should be a consideration. I currently want a WinBox as a second home computer so I can telecommute as necessary.

Chrome

As it happens, I HAVE bought a computer in the last two weeks, so perhaps I can be of help.

If you have the technical know-how its far cheaper to order the parts online and assemble the computer yourself. Usually its not hard (fdisk and format c:, anyone?) but sometimes you run into some unfathomable problems trying to configure your hardware. Just trying to prevent an IRQ sharing conflict that crashed my system drove me nuts for a couple days.

If already have a computer now you can save even more by salvage parts. On my aging Pentium II system I kept the cdrom, cd writer, hard drive (18 gig), floppy disk, video (Geforce 2 GTS) and network card. I shopped around for a motherboard, cpu, and DDR Ram on http://www.pricewatch.com, and here’s what my final tally was:



ASUS A7A266 Motherboard + Athlon XP 1800 combo  $244
Volcano Heatsink + Fan                           $18
256 MB Micron DDR Ram                            $77
Siig SCSI controller card                        $80
Case + Power supply                              $40
Total = $459, not including shipping costs


Not a bad price for a new kickass system. If my cd writer and hard drive wasn’t SCSI I could have saved an additional $80 by using an IDE drive.

If you’re getting a monitor I’d recommend a traditional 19", which could be had for around $200. Sure, LCDs take less space, but they cost three times as much and the picture quality isn’t as good as a regular monitor.