NO WE DON’T!
GODDAMMIT I’m so fucking sick and tired of you assholes who don’t even have the BASIC FACTS RIGHT, spewing your lies.
There was testimony from MULTIPLE SOURCES, ALL of which were weighed for credibility, and both the trial judge and the appellate judge concurred that there was
Dear hearts, let us not debate the facts of the matter further. I believe we’re directed young SA to the appropriate venues for that. This thread is decidedly not about the facts of the case, but rather the facts of media spin and politics. I hope our little detour, made possible by SA blathering on about a case he doesn’t even know the basic facts about, has been instructive along those lines, however, so hats off to SA!
As to Shayna claim that “GODDAMMIT I’m so fucking sick and tired of you assholes who don’t even have the BASIC FACTS RIGHT, spewing your lies.” I can only note: I hope you like being sick and tired!
On the other hand, if she were a murdering fetus, we’d be falling all over ourselves to off her again.
Seriously, though, you do realize you’re full of shit on this one, right SA?
I agree with the OP in general.
For the rest of the world the Shiavo story is a fresh scandal. For those in West Florida, the Shiavo case has been rattling along for well over 7 years now with plenty of trials, hearings, doctors, and postponements. It is aggravating to hear a whole new set of “facts” presented for consumption by the greater populace. I know we should all be jaded by propaganda by now, but each fresh offense chafes.
I also believe that this push by the GOP to “save Terri” is mere jaw-jacking. They could not give a rat’s ass whether that woman lives or dies - in fact, I believe they would most definitely prefer if she died this instant!
Why, you ask? Because if she lives another 40 years she will be the same withered vegetable husk she is today, just more so. Will religious conservatives then step forward to say, “We were wrong - she never got better, or even responded one iota to treatment”? Yeah, right.
If she dies, her “martyrdom” can be exploited; just another tool to get the you-know-whos to go to the polls, and poke those screens in all the places their partisan puppetmasters “advise”.
Actually, I wasn’t going to even respond to this thread, as I am afraid your OP is right, and I didn’t want to talk about it.
However, Shayna’s heartfelt cry of “GODDAMMIT I’m so fucking sick and tired of you assholes who don’t even have the BASIC FACTS RIGHT, spewing your lies.” is something I’ve been wanting to say for two days, and I felt it useful to let Starving Artist know that there was somewhere he could go to be educated.
My apologies.
I hope that was an attempt at a joke. There are plenty of humorless zealots on both sides of the aisle.
No shit!! What a conundrum that would be!
Yeah, looks like it. I apologize and retract my statement.
I would also like to express my heartfelt wishes for Shayna’s recovery. She gets waaaay too cranked up. I truly fear for her blood pressure. High blood pressure causes strokes, you know…and strokes can cause brain death, you kno…Hey, Shayna…got your plug-pulling wishes down in writing?
(Boy, Miller, these daytime libs are a testy bunch, aren’t they? Sheesh…you make one little mistake, and…)
Oh, but that’s the cynical brilliance of it, don’t you see? Republicans pandering to their ultra religious base can pass a law knowing full well that the chances that the Supremes will intervene to keep Terri’s husk “alive” are slim to none. Next year when elections roll around, all that those people will remember is how their representative “fought” for Ms. Schiavo. From a political standpoint, it was a bill that a representative could vote for even if personally s/he thought that Terri’s body should follow her intellect into death, because s/he knew that that was likely to be the outcome no matter what law was passed. It’s a textbook example of a win/win political situation, and it fell right into the Republican’s laps.
You mean the husband who turned down ten million dollars offered if he’d divorce her? That greedy husgand?
Why do you hate marriage so, SA?
However, at some point, one is forced to conclude that he’s in a persistent ignorative state, no further measures can hope to improve his condition, and it’s time to let him go.
That’s husband.
In any case, an ad from the Democrats can’t mention the case directly. The reason most of the country is against the Republican leadership on this one is that they don’t want Washington messing in their personal affairs. My ad addresses this aspect of it. BTW, I saw a cartoon the other day on the same theme, with the jackbooted Republican thug in bed with the husband and wife.
Okay, Shayna, dear…which is it? Was I ignorant of the facts, in which case I would be guilty of a mistaken comment, or did I have the facts straight and deliberately try to deceive people as to the truth?
I’m not George Bush, you know. You don’t have to accuse me of lying just because I made a mistaken assertion.
Cheers.
Sorry I lost my temper there a bit, Apos. I just simply cannot believe that we actually still have posters here, at the Straight Dope of all places, who make declarations about this case as if they were facts, when they obviously haven’t even bothered to study the subject matter. And especially given that this discussion has been going on in probably more than a dozen different threads in multiple fora, and hundreds and hundreds of posts. And even more especially when the facts are so damn easy to find – the court rulings are easily and freely accessible.
As to the subject of the OP, you are, of course, 100% right, and Starving Artist is a shining example as to why. And it makes me physically ill, which, no, I don’t enjoy feeling, but some things can’t be helped, my anger and disgust being among them.
Sorry again for the hijack.
And on preview, fuck off Starving Artist.
Please excuse my ignorance, but what is this “Texas law” you are talking about?
True. Sad, but true.
Greedy husband? Greedy husband? Where did I say that? I thought I said “marital and possibly financial”…but who knows, maybe you’re right. Let me check…
Hmmm… :: SA looks back over post :: …nope, can’t find it. Cite?
That analysis omits the real problem the Republicans are going to have:
“Why can’t they get their asses in gear like that to cut my taxes?”
“Why can’t they get their asses in gear like that to let me keep my Social Security money in my own name?”
“Why can’t they get their asses in gear like that to get rid of all those gun control laws?”
“Why can’t they get their asses in gear like that to tighten up the borders?”
and so on, and so on, and so on…
I don’t think so.
You seem to have forgotten that the GOP is the states’ rights party.
What’s that you say? Look at the Schiavo case?
SHUT THE FUCK UP, HIPPIE! GO EAT SOME CHEESE, FRENCHIE! YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT! 9/11!!! USA! USA! USA!
Now, just repeat to yourself, “GOP is for state’s rights.”
Reality has no bearing on political beliefs in this country. As our esteemed OP pointed out.
This administration makes both Teflon Ronnie and Slick Willy look like amateurs.
-Joe
I sadly agree with the OP. The morons will only see what they want in this situation without regard to reason, logic, or reality.
Whaddya want from me, blood? (Don’t answer that!) FYI, I don’t normally make a habit of laboriously researching every possible angle to every post I respond to, and furthermore I have no intention of doing so. If, on occasion, that means I’m in error and have to eat crow, well, I have a pretty good grill out back and I can hack it.
Furthermore, I would be willing to bet any amount of money you would care to name that you’ve done the same, if not here then elsewhere.
So get down off your high horse, missy! It gets you nowhere.
Thank you, dahling.