These threads are getting really tiresome. It reminds me of some of the ‘evolution’ threads we’ve had…one side tries to present the facts, while the other does a bunch of hand waving, and at the end of several pages, chock full of good science, cites, and links to resources, someone will chime in with, “Evolution is impossible due to the second law of thermodynamics.” Argh!
It’s so easy to just repeat the script over and over, derailing the conversation. Where outright falsehoods are not parroted, insinuations are used. For every one of these interludes, we have to stop, go back, and explain how it really works.
But no one remembers that. It’s only the interruption that’s remembered, and any apologies are buried in the mix. Worse yet, you can debunk every single premise upon which someone has based their opinion, and at the end of the day, they’ll stick with it, and take their sound bytes and disinformation to the next argument. it’s maddening.
SA- I don’t doubt the sincerity of your apology…i just hope you get why some people are pissed off at you. Whatever your initial motives, you came off as one of that sort.
Zoe, while you may share a personally pleasant relationship with Starving Artist, I do not. My reaction to a sentiment like this (which involves both complete falsehood and character assassination) is that only a complete fucking tool would post it.
I find some solace in the fact that the GOP and the religious right have absolutely no qualms about feeding their own to the jackals when it is politically expedient to do so. Judge Greer, the one who is trying to “kill” Ms. Schiavo, is a Republican and a stauch Southern Baptist.
The only reason it’s not 100% effective is because some posters seem to have near-infinite patience and a willingness to keep trying even though they never seem to make much headway.
It takes one of those posters minutes or hours to craft a response full of cites, logic, and thoughtfulness.
It takes one of the AbA advocates a few seconds to handwave it all away and blame it on “Libruls”.
I’m sorry, that was a cheap shot, but I can’t help feeling vindicated when I see people who no doubt describe themselves as faithful, church-going, Bible-reading, tithe-paying fluffy l’il lambs of God resort to the vilest behavior when they don’t get their way. It just exposes the hypocrisy, amorality, and self-deception that religion inspires.
It’s funny how we really don’t realize that we’ve been courting a monster until the rubber hits the road, huh?
I’m wondering if this is really going to be the catalyst for the Republican Party - Sane Division to realize just what kind of dilemma they’re in, having hitched their wagon to the particular star belonging to what’s commonly known, in my mind, as the Republican Party - Complete and Total Loon Division. This is the rubber meeting the road, much more so than Massachusetts gay marriage. This is a situation that EVERYBODY could eventually face, not some constitutional abstraction that only affects less than 10% of the population. A lot of right-moderate folks are realizing that Terri’s position could very well be theirs, but for the grace of God, Allah, Brahman, Ahura Mazda, Yahweh, whatever, and giving serious thought to whether they ever want to be in her place.
And then they see the folks who are hanging off the edge of the cliff of sanity by their ragged fingernails and realize that the rope that’s tied to their own ankle is also tied to theirs…and all of the cliff-hangers are carrying lead shot in their pockets. The question is whether they’ll wake up enough to untie that rope right quick…
Today, I am proud to be an American. This week, in this country, the desire of the most powerful man in the country and many other wealthy, powerful (corrupt) people using all their resources were unable to enforce their will on a nobody, an average citizen, who wanted to exert his legal rights to respect the wishes of his powerless wife. It’s a huge statement on what is right in this country. The fact that the private lives of quiet citizens became were exploited so shamelessly by religious hypocrites and political opportunists, turned into emotional pornography by the meida, and accompanied by brutal character assassination of innocent people and principled judges, indicates what is wrong with this country, but in the end it’s a victory for civil rights.
And here we were actually agreeing on an issue, and you had to go and wreck it with more of your anti-religion hatred. I shoulda seen it coming though.
Although this isn’t quite over yet. Judge Greer’s ruling about the Cheshire testimony is supposed to come down within the next 50 minutes or so. If he says no to yet another hearing, maybe that actually is the legal end of this thing.
The affidavet by Chesire is completely desperate. Jeb scrounged up an obscure doctor with an admitted agenda, and even then Chesire’s intellectual honesty kills the case. He admits that he has no emiricial evidence of any kind of the woman’s consciousness and only “intuits” minimal consciousness. What kind of precedent would it be if court actions can be trumped by an executive power scrounging up any self-labeled expert with “new evidence” that translates to “biased assumptions”?
I don’t believe him, I believe the courts who’ve ruled almost two dozen times that it was clear she didn’t want to be preserved in this way.
If they were considering divorce, why hasn’t he left? What’s in this for him again? The money is almost gone and he’s said he’s giving it to charity. Years ago when it was still a substantial amount, he offered to divest himself of it to avoid this conflict of interest crap you keep trying to push.
But medical tests have shown it wasn’t over and over again.
Who needs a mindreader when you can hear a doctor’s opinion on it?
Calling Bush on his hypocrisy of signing a Texas law that allows the fucking hospital to stop a feeding tube if the patient can’t pay anymore and his signing of the Schiavo bill … Fine.
Calling people who would threaten to kill a judge in the name of a pro-life stance on their hypocricy… fine.
Blaming it all on religion… not fine.
No shit. Anyone who has ever read more than 3 posts of yours knows that your adamently anti-religious.
But really gobear, this isn’t anything that you haven’t heard and been pitted for about 354 times, and still no change in your behavior. There is absolutely no reason to go into it again.
It won’t backfire simply because, the Democrats will still be seen as a greater threat with even goofier ideas by Republicans and Republican voters. I am amazed at the ignorance and gullibility of members of the Republican party on this issue and highly pissed. But quite frankly, Democrats (the Left) piss me off more and on far more important issues (to me) in which they often seem to have as little grasp of reality as the “keep Terry alive” crowd.
I think that this “Save Terry nonsense” placates the loons in the Right to Life side of the party without actually giving them something. I don’t think that Republican strategists really thought that they would succeed. It will be forgotten or ignored by the next election cycle by Republican voters. They in broad terms will remember or believe that Democrats are tax raisers, scared to defend the country, wish to let other countries have a say in what we do (pro-UN), pro homosexual, anti-gun and anti-hunting, anti-property rights, pro extreme enviromentalism, anti-busines, etc.
Please note that I’m not in the anti-homosexual crowd nor do I feel that Iraq or Gitmo or Patriot Act are the bees’ knees. But I can’t live with the rest, they are too dangerous to me on philosophical basis and/or a direct threat to my way of life. I think that most Republicans and past Republican supporters will feel similar.
