Lie.
Do uppity brown women even belong in the Democratic party?
It’s time for you to put on a MAGA hat and proudly go fuck yourself.
Seems a bit like cross-posting to me. But, eh, looks like that isn’t explicitly against the written rules and I agree that IMHO it doesn’t really rise to the level of a “call to action”.
But having read the full quote Kimstu helpfully provided, this pretty much just generates big shrug from me. It’s not a focused call out of Obama IMO and even if it was the progressive wing of the party have been at least partially disenchanted with Obama since about year two of his presidency. Plenty of people have attacked him over perceived hawkishness and his border policies. So?
I’m actually not inclined to give her quite as much leeway on what seems to be a tinge of anti-Semitism as some on this board. But forcefully expressed progressive politics hardly seems worth getting in a big snit about.
Fuck you. The group of politicians I support most strongly is (the vast majority of) the Congressional Black Caucus, which contains a number of outspoken black women I admire.
And I’d sooner drink a pint of my own piss than wear a MAGA hat (that is, if I had to wear it on the regular without somehow telling everyone I meet that I lost a bet or whatever).
Remember Nader and his “Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum” bullshit in 2000? That pissed me off too, but he didn’t simultaneously count himself as a Democrat, taking advantage of party resources. And to “Tweedle” Obama and Trump is far more absurd, and offensive, than doing so with Gore and Bush (although that was still ridiculous within the normal spectrum of major party politics, which is not where Trump resides, or Omar either for that matter).
Where do you get the absurd idea that Omar is claiming there’s no difference between Obama and Trump? That’s nonsense. What she’s talking about is structural problems in our entire system that the mere fact of Obama being better than Trump is not going to fix.
Oh good, then you’ll join me in applauding the admirably outspoken remarks of longtime CBC member Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA) in opposition to H.R. 4712, the so-called Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act:
I argued, and continue to believe, that it was a mistake for Democrats to fall into that political trap. I did not call for every Democrat (or any Democrat) who voted that way to be censured or expelled from the party. So what are you on about?
:smack: From your OWN cite:
Fine, she’s not saying there’s no difference. She’s saying the differences are superficial and actually make Obama (and others) less honest than Trump!
That I’m not impressed with your ongoing game of “Democrat Whack-A-Mole” where you only praise some Democrat(s) to try to lend credibility to your attacks on some other Democrat(s).
Uh, that doesn’t say what you seem to imagine it says. The view that “the Democratic president operated within the same fundamentally broken framework as his Republican successor” is not at all equivalent to the view that “Obama is no better than Trump”.
No, that’s not what she’s saying. She’s saying—so clearly that I really don’t understand how you keep massively misinterpreting it in so many different directions—that the differences between Obama and Trump are not sufficient to fix this giant structural problem in our entire political system.
Just out of curiosity, SlackerInc, what do you think is a proper and acceptable (politically correct?) way to express the opinion that our political system has giant structural flaws that neither Republican nor Democratic leaders have fixed, and that these flaws result in both Republican and Democratic administrations having some very bad policies in common?
Is it even possible for a Democrat to hold that opinion at all without your throwing a shitfit about their “ungrateful” “indictment” of fellow Democrats?
Bernie does the kind of shit you are talking about all the time, and I don’t like it (in his case, it’s complicated by the fact that he pretends to be a kindasorta Democrat when it gets him resources he wants, and continues to style himself as an independent whenever he can get away with it). But he does not go as far as she did. Your selecting quoting and anodyne parsing of her words, when the meaning is clear, is ridiculous.
And you can fuck right off with your insinuation that I’m some kind of stealth Republican. What is the secretly Republican angle to my starting a thread touting Sherrod Brown as someone who could “checkmate” Trump in the Electoral College, or expressing that since he’s out, I’m impressed with Inslee, Beto, and Booker?
Your wing of the party (and I’m referring to you and quite a number of others here) is not only extreme, you don’t recognize that my wing actually outnumbers yours. We don’t do a lot of yakking online (present company excluded), so you are clearly making the mistake of thinking that any Democrat who doesn’t resemble you must actually be a Republican. Huge error.
Um, I was the one who found in the actual interview and quoted in this thread the full report of her words that you couldn’t be bothered to read in the first place because you were so busy ragestroking over the inflammatory snippets of them quoted in your OP link.
Oh, I don’t think you’re necessarily an actual Republican. I just think you’re very invested in your self-image as the Independent Thinker who’s the Smartest Guy in the Room, and you imagine that frequently fuming with outrage at your nominal allies over some policy disagreement du jour bolsters that image.
I don’t know that political party “wings” are as distinctly defined as you seem to imagine, but I can certainly believe that you only attack opponents whom you’re convinced you outnumber.
So does that mean that you don’t in fact think there’s a proper/acceptable/politically correct way to express such an opinion? For a guy who claims to care so much about the freedom to express controversial opinions…
Also from that same post, Klobuchar is dead to you over the allegations of rage that happened behind closed doors, so you would only vote for her in a general election from now on. I can understand you shifting your 2020 support away from her based on that. I don’t understand such emphatic language revealing the lack of skepticism about the level of severity in what may have taken place. I don’t think it’s reasonable to say we know.
If these allegations had seen the light of day a year later and let’s say Sanders and Klobuchar were battling in a primary race where everyone else had dropped out, you would then become a Bernie Sanders supporter. You would have to hold your nose and support him despite his own problems in treating staffers, among all the other things about him you don’t like. 
Huh. I guess down to those 2 you would be supporting Sanders anyway so I didn’t need to make up a ‘what if’ scenario. I am super plastered right now.
Have you tried being smarter than a Trump? Every single one of your posts reads like a Billy Madison speech about “The Puppy That Lost His Way” - we’re all dumber for having read it.
Could you publish your views in a podcast instead? Then I could play it and give it all the attention it requires.
Oh look, the “Honest, I’m a democrat” racist is yet again taking a swing at exactly the same targets that fox news and their ilk always take aim at. What a fucking surprise.
Quick show of hands, other than Slacker and the likes of Shodan, who here reckons Slacker is a democrat?
Okay, I’ll cop to that. (When you’re not being maddeningly disingenuous, you exhibit an above-average degree of perspicacity.)
:rolleyes: This is your way of insinuating that I’m a bully who prefers to “punch down”. Then please explain why I obviously relish going into rhetorical battle on this board, where I’m guaranteed to be massively outnumbered every time?
Yeah, I will go all the way in defending someone’s right to say virtually anything. The classic example being the ACLU defending Nazis’ right to march in Skokie. That doesn’t mean I want Nazis in my political party! Do you really not see the distinction? 
If you’re asking if there’s an acceptable way for a Democrat to accuse Obama of being a murderer (because of drone strikes that take out some very nasty terrorists, but unfortunately also result in collateral damage), the answer is no. Full stop. I hear this kind of shit all the time from left wingers I would not call Democrats (and who probably wouldn’t call themselves that, either, even if they vote for Democrats from time to time). That’s their right to say, even if it pisses me off. But it’s not the right of a Democrat to say this and still be a member of the party in good standing.
But she hasn’t denied any of it! If she had, I would definitely be holding out hope that she’s getting a bum rap. But no: no denials, just justification of being a “tough boss” with “high standards”. Yet the thing that bothers me most, which has been reported from multiple sources, has absolutely zero to do with those things. Namely, that when she feels betrayed because one of her staffers leaves for a different job (something that apparently happens more frequently to her than any other senator), she petulantly retaliates by trying to sabotage them at their new employer, in an attempt to get the job offer rescinded.
So the job offer gets rescinded. Then what? It doesn’t say in the stories, but there are only two options I can see:
(1) The former staffer is left in the lurch, suddenly unemployed and with no prospects for a paycheck to pay next month’s rent. That’s heinous.
(2) The former staffer is given an opportunity to be forgiven and rejoin the fold. That’s manipulative, even coercive, and it’s really creepy. It’s something you’d imagine happening in a mobster movie, or “House of Cards”. Gross.
ETA: Gary, while I am a small-d democrat, what you are really asking is if I’m a Democrat. Yes I am, although please don’t say I’m a member of the “Democrat Party”, which makes me grit my teeth. Broadly, I’m a longtime member of the DemocratIC Party, which in Minnesota means I’m a member of the DFL, the Democratic Farmer-Labor Party.
The only thing this whole mess has done is make me respect Omar more.
She’s doing exactly what a congresswoman should be doing.
I’ve been frustrated for years with our relationship with Israel and its influence on American politics.
Missed the edit window, wanted to say one more thing to Gary:
I note of course your skepticism, of the type I had erroneously attributed to Kimstu. Go ahead, look at my posts in Elections in 2012 and 2016. Obviously if I’m a stealth Republican, you should be able to find posts that were in some way designed to tear down Obama or Hillary, and motivate people to vote for Romney or Trump–even if subtly so. Good luck!
(If you’re a deeply committed Bernie bro, you might come up with “You bitterly opposed Bernie in the primaries, because you knew he had the best chance to beat Trump.” That’s cloud cuckooland, but hey: if that’s what you think, I guess you should keep enjoying that Bernie Kool-Aid and there’s nothing I can do for you. It still doesn’t explain why in 2012 I was solid for Obama and against Romney, though.)
Yeah, so have I, just as I have felt about our relationship with Saudi Arabia. This is part of why I cut Omar slack about the “Benjamins” thing, because AIPAC really is a malign influence on our politics, and a lot of that influence is exerted through the use of money. And the Likud Party in Israel, and the even more heinously right wing parties it aligns with to eke out a majority in Parliament, are revolting. Israel is morally not much different from apartheid South Africa.
But what does any of that have to do with the shit she talked about Obama? That’s where she lost me, to say the least.
Why yes, I could spend several hours trawling through a mound of your shite from 7 years ago, just to find more examples of your vile, soulless bollocks. That certainly is one option
Or, you know, I could just reference a small selection of some of your crap from the last 3 months (universal healthcare can’t work, ambitious environmental policies mean a ban on airplanes, late term abortion is evil, AoC is evil, Ilhan Omar can fuck off) combined with a few of your enduring classics (racism is fine, colonialism is fine, sleeping with a drunk girl knowing she’ll regret it is fine as long as she’s attractive) and actually do something fun this fine Saturday morn.
So, all in, I think I’ll go option b, pause just to mention again that you’re a disingenuous, evasive sack of shit, and go hit the trails on my bike.