I'll never buy a Fucking Ford again! (Venting with extremely long rant)

I know that when I buy an old clunker of a car, there is a price to pay. Cars deteriorate and things need to be replaced. I’ll probably need a new muffler, new brakes and a new clutch sooner or later. You get what you pay for, and I’m aware of this. Buy a cheaper car and spend money on repairs.

I don’t really need a good car. I need something to get around town in, do some grocery shopping and such. So January this year, I bought a used ’91 Ford Escort Wagon for $3.250. Nothing fancy and I saw that I’d need to get new tires within 6 months. The suspension was a bit soggy and there were some other small stuff to fix. No problems, thought I.

After about a month, when I came out one morning, it didn’t start. Numerous tries and nothing. Fully charged battery and gas in the tank. Huh? So, I enlisted the help of a friend and we towed it to the dealership. A lot of muttering about the warranty, but they finally agreed to check it out. This is not a Ford dealer, but one of those that take older cars from the brand dealers. Also to note here is that in Sweden, the warranty for such an old car is one month and only extends to traffic safety issues.

Well, fine. A couple of days later they call me and say they found the problem. The fuel pump on this model is located in the back, by the fuel tank. They said it was the wire, feeding power to the pump, that had come loose.

Gaspode is a happy camper, well driver, again.

Two months pass by and I have a little fender bender, not my fault, in traffic. A guy in a Ford Galaxy cuts me off and the car gets a small dent. Had it been my fault, I wouldn’t do anything about it, cause it isn’t worth $300 for such a small thing on such a cheapo car. But it was ruled to be the other guys fault and since the repair was free for me, I booked time at a body shop to get it fixed. There was a waiting period and during this time, I noticed that the car almost stalled in traffic a couple of times. Same problem again, the problem I had when I just got the car. It’s also getting harder to start and takes 3-4 tries every time. “Damned wire to the fuel pump,” I think and ask the guys who’re gonna do the body work to re-attach it, when they lift the car up to get it fixed. “Sure,” they say. The day before it’s due at the shop, the damned thing won’t even start. No matter what.
I enlist help of same friend, tow the car to the other place and think that everything will be fine.

I should have known. One is at the mercy of auto mechanics only when one can’t fix it oneself, or when someone else (e.g. Insurance Company or employer) pays the bill. They can tell you any number of things and you just go… “Uh-huh?! OK? How much?”
“Well”, they say, “it’s the juxtaposition pendulum”. Fear grips your heart like a cold glove. You haven’t even heard of such a thing. “Is that expensive?”
Now the guy smirks a little: “Well, the part is only $10, but the labour… You know, we have to lift out the whole engine. It’s about two days work in all… figure on the bill being $450. Well, I fork up. Because there is no way in hell I can get out of this situation as a winner.

Well, this did indeed turn out to be the case. I call back to find out how it’s going and they tell me it’s not the fuel pump. The wire is attached just fine. But why won’t it start, I ask. They have no idea.

So I call up the car dealer. Well, the warranty’s expired, but I plead to him. The conversation is going well, until he hears that another mechanic has checked the car. “We don’t have any responsibility any longer.”
What? He claims that since that other place might have done something to the car, this means the dealer will no longer have control over what’s happened to the car and all my claims will be void. I try to tell him that they only checked the wire, which he, a couple of months earlier, claimed to be the problem.
“We don’t know that. It could be a new problem or one caused by their bad work. We don’t have a liability.”
To make this rant a little shorter, I can say that he’s right. The dealership gets three tries to fix the car, under Swedish law, but if someone else work on it, there liability is gone. I feel really stoopid at this point.

So what to do now? The only way out seems to be to take it to the expensive Ford Dealer where it was first sold. If anyone should be able to fix this, it’s their mechanics.
So I get it towed there, ask how much and they say they charge $75 to locate the problem and then, depending on what the problem is, it could run up to $500. But they’ll check with me before doing anything.
Two days later, they call and say that it’s been fixed. And they’ll only charge me those $75. The relief. Oh, the relief. I was seeing a lot of money being thrown away and suddenly, it wasn’t that expensive.

I pay the bill, pick up the car, and that same evening, it stalls, while I’m driving.
Now, this is not a fancy car, it’s manual transmission, 1.6 liter engine. But it does have power steering and brakes. When the engine dies, everything goes and it’s neigh impossible to manoeuvre. Of course, it was in city traffic, and a lot of other drivers got really pissed off. I manage to push that damned piece of shit to the side of the street and leave it there. I call my friend, go to his house and when I come back, there is of course a parking ticket. Another $80 down the drain.

We tow it to the Ford place and leave it there over night. Next day, I go there and tell them what’s happened. Well, they say, the problem turned out to be a little switch that releases if the car flips over. It cuts the fuel to the engine to prevent fire. They show me where this is located (inside the car, thank you), and I drive away. The emotion is not happiness, but at least some moderate feeling of being in control.

This is now in the middle of the summer. My dad was in hospital, getting treatment for lung cancer and the suspicion was that he didn’t have long to live. He ended up dying in September and during summer I was, of course, very much in need of the car. Going home to my mum, go to the hospital, getting things.

So a car that actually starts, and doesn’t quit on me on the expressway, is premium. I don’t care about anything else. It might leak in rain, guzzle gas or oil, have large rust holes, but it damned well needs to start.

Well, the car survived my dad but shortly afterwards, the problems started again. I fiddled with that damned switch, but to no use. Finally, I ripped the whole contraption out and the car worked for a week or two, then it died again.

New trip to Ford. Question marks in their faces. Checking the car. Leaving it there. Next day, they tell me that they found the problem. It’s gonna be $270 in repairs. I’ve given up at this point. I just want to get rid of it, but there is no way, if it doesn’t start. Fine, do it, says I.

Two days later I pay the bill, drive away and get a whole mile before it stalls again. I call them on my cell phone and they show up to tow the car, looking apologetic.

Next day the verdict is in: “The car starts, we think it ran out of gas.” Now I feel apologetic and stoopid. So I pick up the car, goes to the nearest gas station and fills up the tank.

You know what’s gonna happen, don’t you. Get the poll ready. How long did it go before stalling again?

Five miles.

I call them back. They tow it and they had it for two weeks, running tests, trying to figure it out. Last week, they said that it starts every time they try. It might be the fuse box ($440), but since it starts all the time….
I picked it up last Friday. It stalled again, outside my house, about two hours ago.
Right now, it’s $4.000 worth of junk, and the only way I’m getting any money back is by selling it for parts. I could let them change the fuse box, but will it fix the problem? Or is it even more money down the drain?

And why in the name of all that is holy and un-holy, why can’t the damned fucking moronic mechanics at Ford find out what’s wrong with a Ford Escort? I wish I could add some more and better aimed foul language, but I’m just so totally fucking beat. I just want it all to go away. I want the nightmare to end.
I just want a car that starts, and I’ll never buy a Ford again.

First off, I’m sorry to hear about your father - my condolances.

A POS car is pretty small potatoes in comparison, but I understand your frustration. My gut feeling is: take your loss, and buy another car. This thing has something fundamentally wrong with it, and problems will keep coming up no matter what you do. How many km’s does it have on the clock?

And what I REALLY want to know: $3250 for a 1991 Escort??

I checked a few websites here, and 1991 Escort wagons can be had for €1500 ($1650) or so (some as low as €600, even). Are cars that much more expensive in Sweden than in Holland?

I can’t say I have a lot of experience with Ford, but I do with some other brands. What’s your budget for the next car, and what are you looking for?

Thanks, Coldy.
160.000 K or about 100k miles.

Yes, they are. There is a lot of import going on from Holland and Germany, but it’s not worth it for such a car. It’s cars in the pricerange €10.000 and up.

The 25% sales tax on used cars adds to the price.

And the problem is - that was my budget (being unemployed right now). I figured on having to fix things as they come, but at least having a car for doing small errands and getting around town. So If I sell it for junk, I’ll be without a car, hence the frustration.

If I had the money, I’d go for a late 90’s Golf Vario (that’s wagon) and if possible a diesel. They go for around €7.000 here. If I had real money to spend, an Audi A6 Avant.

I need a wagon, since I have a puppy that’ll be maybe 80lbs of drooling Boxer in a year.

I’ve driven Ford trucks for the last 15 years or so, and I swear by them. You were taken, my friend. Not by Ford, but by the person you purchased from. Nominal maintenance, and my little 4-cyl. truck is well over 100K miles, and nary a trauma. Oil changes, tire rotations, I think an exhaust system. I’d give Ford another try.

My last and only Escort wagon was purchased for $1500. Last year, the automatic transaxle disintegrated. I am told that with 90’s Escort wagons this is not unusual. So much so that finding a used transmission is akin to seeking the Grail. My dad, (who is a service manager at a Chrysler dealership, and has connections,) called around for quotes on fixing the tranny. One place wanted $2500. The other wanted $5000 ! That’s right. Five Thousand Dollars, for a car that blue-books at around $2000.

Fuck Ford.

(I now own a nice used Grand Voyager. Parts are cheap and plentiful.)

160K? That thing ought to have plenty of life in it left, then. Provided it was maintained properly, and I do believe therein lies the problem…

A Golf diesel is a good bet, although I feel VW’s “quality image” is rather overrated. They still ride on their 1980’s quality image, whereas the statistics no longer agree that they are a top notch brand when it comes to reliability.

25% sales tax on a used car? Our sales tax is 19%, but it’s across the board. Is it higher for used than for new cars in Sverige?

Perhaps you could raise a little dough by yanking out whatever good pieces can be sold and holding a “Take a Whack” rally with the remaining shell. All you’d need is a sledgehammer! Charge people $1.00/whack - if there’s enough frustrated Ford owners over there, you could rake in some real money. Especially if you can stage the thing across the street from the Ford dealer who sold it to you; plus they might take a strong interest in seeing your activities come to a halt (much like your car) and could perhaps be persuaded to make it worth your while $$.
Sorry about the loss of your father.

Ford’s trucks have a good reputation. The cars, on the other hand, are Found On Road, Dead or Fixed Or Repaired Daily.

“You know what ‘FORD’ stands for? Fix It Again, Tony!”

I had a similar story, only with a 1988 Pontiac Bonneville LE with about the same mileage. I got it for free after my best lady friend bought it, but couldn’t afford to fix it. She transfered it to me and I put down $3000 in repairs (including new tires).

To make a long story short, after spending an additional $3000 on the car over the course of 1.5 years, I gave up. Issues included not starting, just shutting down after some time, Oil sensor broke (causing a huge leak) engine coolant lines cracked and several other lovely problems.

I gave up, saved my money, junked the car (for a whole $25…yes, you read right) and put down money for a new Toyota Matrix…and haven’t looked back since.

Happened to mine. I have a '93 Escort wagon and the transaxle bit the dust at around 100,000 miles. Which isn’t too bad, but it was an expensive pain in the neck. I had to replace the flywheel, too. The whole shebang came in at around $2500. More than the car’s worth? Sure, but you can’t buy much of a car for $2500 and I don’t want to do car payments so I ponied up. I haven’t owned a car younger than '93 so replacing the tranny or clutch at around 100,000 miles wasn’t unusual for me. I wouldn’t entirely rule out getting another Ford.

Just wanted to let you know that unless you have other, bigger dogs that you didn’t mention, you really don’t need a wagon for a boxer. I have an 85 lb., eight year old boxer that has always been absolutely happy in the back seat of a 4 door Honda Accord. I’ve had two since I’ve had my dog. Really, there is plenty of room back there.

A Swede buying an American car? The mind boggles…

Don’t Saabs or Volvos cost less over there? Mighty fine cars, especially the 9-5.

A brief answer to Coldy: Nope, same sales tax on used and new cars. Lower sales tax on food, books, cultural events ASF. We have expensive cars but cheap electricity, phone services and consumer electronics. It all evens out in the end.

The POS has had two previous owners. I tracked down the lady who had it before me and she said she had the same problems. She had also talked to the first owner who said they had the same problems. She gave up after about 9 months and traded it as down payment on a brand new Nissan Micra. Nissan then dumped it on the dealership where I got it. I do think the dealer acted in good faith.

I know that Ford trucks are good, but this Escort is made in Germany (and should be good, no?) amd even if they share the brand name, Detroit made trucks and compacts are not even in the same field.

My problem with Ford is that they can’t locate the problem. I’ve dumped a couple of hundred bucks on something that didn’t fix it. Now they want me to pay even more, for something that might fix it. If I knew that forking up $440 would solve the problem, once and for all, then I would pay. At least I could sell it and maybe get some money back. As it stands now, it’s worthless.
But what if I pay that it it isn’t fixed? Then another $440 is down the toilet and I’m at the very place I am right now.
One would think that Ford dealers know how to service their own brand. Since they clearly don’t, I’m not gonna buy another Ford. Ever.

Brutus: We happily buy American cars. Besides, Ford owns Volvo and GM owns SAAB, so the money ends up there anyway.

And they’re more expensive here than in the US.

“That’s FIAT, Dale.”

At least I think it was Dale. That is one of the very few episodes of King of the Hill that I have seen.

Damn straight!

It’s not the manufacturer’s fault that that particular dealership’s techs are imbeciles. You should stay away from that dealership and urge everyone you know to do the same, but you shouldn’t blame Ford.

I can so totally sympathize with you!

My first car was a 1985 1/2 Ford Escort. I named her Christine once her true personality emerged. Things were good for almost a year then the car would just stall out. I found that I could go anywhere I wanted so long as I was there for about two hours. If I tried to do short trips, the car would stall and I’d be pushing it and walking home–I kept a pair of sneakers in the back just because of this. I spent a fortune in mystery repairs until I finally decided to ditch the thing. A few years later a mechanic friend of a friend said that model had a design defect in the fuel pump that made this happen.

Then, stupidly, I believed that a Ford truck would be a better idea several years later when I was car shopping again. Luckily I ditched that before it got to be too big an investement and now I have a nice little Dodge Stratus that I’ve had for three years and still haven’t had to replace a fuel pump, head gasket, transmission…

Fucked On Recent Deal–there’s a reason they have these expressions :frowning:

Well, this dealer owns all Ford outlets and service stations within about a 100 miles. So:

  1. I couldn’t possibly tow my car to another Ford dealer.
  2. Should I buy another Ford, I’m stuck with these guys.

Also, one would imagine that Ford, wanting to care for its brand, checks out the dealers around the world to see that they meet certain quality standards.