I’m simply saying that there’s no value in a debate when one side is 100% partisan and makes that clear from the get go. What minds are going to be changed when you start from that point?
HA! Like there’s no one on this message board whose posts aren’t 100% partisan. It happens on an hourly basis. But I guess if they’re on “your side”, it’s Ok, right?
Illinois has very high property taxes, second only to New Jersey. Most of it gets diverted to things like schools and does not show up in the state’s balance sheets.
IOW you mean that they won’t rather than cannot.
Once again, and maybe you’ll actually comprehend this time, I stated this to start:
It is not a one party problem
That was in my original post to this thread and I have not deviated from that.
You have blamed only one party consistently and persistently.
One of these kids is not like the other #sesamestreet :rolleyes:
Cannot in that they either can’t raise more revenue due to increased flight from the state, or they’ll all lose their jobs, Republicans will take the legislature, and they’ll do even worse to the pensioners.
I think the plan is to cut pensions, but they’ll need an Act of Congress to do it.
Again with the personal attacks in Great Debates. What is up with that? 
What personal attack? I’ve repeated myself on that point several times and for some reason it seems to not be getting across. I’m really not sure what the issue is. I also believe I said that discussion between us on this point would be fruitless so I’m not sure the purpose of continuing on in this vein.
I’m blaming the governor. Quinn sucked as well and I would have rather seen him primaried out. He didn’t deserve a second term. But now Quinn isn’t governor, Rauner is and he’s failing at the job.
Who do I (or we) blame for not compromising and solving the budget crisis? In my opinion, both Bruce Rauner and Michael Madigan, and the Democratic and Republican leaders in Illinois are to blame.
Both need to be ousted from office and term limits must be implemented. I’m suggesting one term.
A catch 22. Illinois can raise taxes again for a short term fix, however the wealthy people or college educated high skilled worker would exit in greater numbers.
I primarily blame the governor since he (a) knew the political situation when he ran and claimed he would fix the budget regardless, (b) has stone-walled for non-budget related goals and © is the chief executive of the state. I mean, you could boot Madigan and Rauner would still have to deal with the next Democratic Speaker and Rauner has proven himself entirely incapable of doing so. If Rauner is incapable of dealing with the well-known political situation in Illinois then Rauner should let someone capable do the job.
Telling a fellow poster in GD that he “fails to comprehend” something is rude, and possibly veering into jerk territory.
As is ignoring what another poster says and/or mischaracterizing it when replying.
Again, I see no need to continue, this is hardly on topic.
I didn’t move out of Illinois due to the taxes, I moved out because of the crime rate - people were getting shot and murdered in my neighborhood and I didn’t want to be the next statistic.
There’s more to Chicago and Illinois problems than just the taxes.
You could always just change neighborhoods. Most people just move to the suburbs.
Chance of being a victim to violent crime in:
Indianapolis: 1 in 76
Indiana: 1 in 258
Chicago: 1 in 110
Illinois: 1 in 261
I did move to the suburbs. It just so happens the suburb was in Indiana. The eastern border of Chicago is the state line so the 'burbs east of Chicago are all in a different state.
My parents (and thus, so did I) did so in 2001 due to the crime rate (although questionable in my opinion cause they left Daley’s neighborhood, but taxes is another factor too), to me it’s kinda a bummer, but at least they got a good deal on a rented mobile home. I think they pay, what, $500 or something in rent? We’re still in Illinois, but I’m sure Cook County can find a way to keep it afloat…right? At least I still have public transit access- albeit less since I’m not near the CTA, but the Pace 330 will do just fine (and even more so since they added Sunday service in 2015, giving me access to the city if I choose to take transit).
As I’ve said, if neither side doesn’t want to work on this, then both sides should just get voted out.
I try not to think about that part of Indiana. It’s all Krazy Kaplans and Gary, IN and bad traffic leading to I-65. 
You really want to stay south of the Interstate, even better if you’re south of Route 30.