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Anyone else read Karen and With Love From Karen by Marie Killilea, true stories about her family? She had a healthy child, a child who died soon after her birth, a premature child with cerebral palsy, a child who almost died from lung complications after birth, and five miscarriages. Her last pregnancy was at age 43. It was obviously very high risk, and she was referred to an OB specialists for such cases. She was put on complete bed rest, unable to even go to the bathroom.
She mentioned smoking throughout the books. On her first visit to the OB, he gave her a cigarette!
The times they did a-change.
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Good god. How much did she smoke? That is just so depressing.
The books covered a span of time from the late 1940’s to the early 1960’s. Smoking was very acceptable then, and Marie mentions it a lot. When the books were reprinted in 1995 with a new forward by the author, she admits that she regretted the smoking and writing about the smoking, having been hospitalized three times in five years for treatment of lung cancer.
Marie Killilea has since died of pneumonia. How much her smoking contributed to her problem pregnancies and her death can only be speculated at this point.
My birth preparation course for my first pregnancy was taught by a nurse who had to go out for a smoke during the breaks. She continued to smoke even after losing one of her own twins to SIDS.
[QUOTE=kittenblue]
This, unfortunately, isn’t just the attitude of the elderly to things they haven’t personally experienced. Even some younger people don’t believe in things if they don’t have first-hand experience with it. Take atheists, for example…if you can’t prove it, they don’t believe it. And some people have a hard time believing in things that can be proven, if they can’t see it for themselves.
[QUOTE=kittenblue]
… Take atheists, for example…if you can’t prove it, they don’t believe it. …
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Hardly the same as lung cancer is it? I suppose then, that everyone NOT an atheist had better start believing fervently in ALL religions, rather than just picking one. :rolleyes:
Smoking will kill you if you live long enough. It is an accumulative poison. But, It has a lot to do with your own natural resistance. , If you die of something else first, you still give up a lot of life. You diminish your lungs and arteries. You waste a ton of money. You burn and smoke clothes. You get cigarette burns on furniture and car upholstery. You get to run out for cigs in the middle of the night or blast into a gas station first thing in the morn.
I have encountered the same nurse several times while donating blood to the Red Cross. She reeks of cigarette smoke. Once, just after she’d gotten the needle into my arm, another nurse came up behind her and asked her if she was ready for a “breathing treatment.” She nodded and they both left the room. Guess where they were going.
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Smoking will kill you if you live long enough. It is an accumulative poison. But, It has a lot to do with your own natural resistance. , If you die of something else first, you still give up a lot of life. You diminish your lungs and arteries. You waste a ton of money. You burn and smoke clothes. You get cigarette burns on furniture and car upholstery. You get to run out for cigs in the middle of the night or blast into a gas station first thing in the morn.
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You get to think sharply. You get to calm your nerves. You get a good taste. You get to enjoy yourself.
I don’t smoke, but your post is really condescending and doesn’t really fit with the thread at all.
[QUOTE=kittenblue]
Take atheists, for example…if you can’t prove it, they don’t believe it. And some people have a hard time believing in things that can be proven, if they can’t see it for themselves.
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There is significant evidence against religion and none in its favor. That’s hardly comparable to smoking.
All I meant by the comment was that some people are very literal-minded and refuse to believe things they can’t “prove” themselves, like the example in the OP. Some of the discussions with atheists on this board seem to have that same tone…“if I can’t see the Face of God myself, he doesn’t exist”. Accepting something on faith that may not line up perfectly logically with their perception of the world and the way it works is difficult for them. My brain works a bit differently than theirs, and that’s just fine.
Missed the edit window…tried to add…It is just my perception of how some atheists think.
And I don’t understand exactly what is meant by evidence against religion…religion exists… even if you don’t believe in the events that precipitated the beginning of that religion or in the divine source of those events. Perhaps we are using the terms differently…it’s certainly not a discussion for this thread, though.
There are people considerably younger than 90 who believe the “new cars are all crap” thing.
You could get to the plugs, distributor,carburetor, etc. because those things were so finicky and needed such constant attention that the manufacturers wouldn’t dare “hide”
them.
Yes, today’s cars usually have a spark plug or something that only the dealer can get at, but you only replace plugs every 5 years or so, and the coil pack that replaced the distributor is so reliable that many people own a car for 10+ years without touching it. And the throttle body and injectors get serviced only if there’s a performance or economy issue.
So long as the drain plugs, oil and air filters are accessible, I don’t worry about infrequently handing a few labor bucks to the stealership for stuff you rarely need to touch.
[QUOTE=Annie-Xmas]
When the books were reprinted in 1995 with a new forward by the author…
[/QUOTE] Foreword. As in, the words at the front of the book. And as opposed to the Afterword.
Anyways, re. the OP: I think there are an awful lot of new things that are a big waste of time and resources, but there’s little use in complaining about them if they’re popular enough. Common sense is a rarity in the manufacturing of flashy new product.