So…after a raft of contradictions…the actual, empirical measured global CO2 ppm is equal to adding about ~30 billion tons of CO2 to the atmosphere?
And whether it’s 20, 30, or 40, what does it matter? It’s a crapton of extra CO2, and it’s being added every year, and it’s going to do something to the climate.
That something is probably some warming…
Perhaps it depends on your definition, but with that said once that definition would fit me at one time but I evolved past that. I still have what one (such as yourself) may consider very peculiar views, but I would not consider my views to be religious or fundamentalist.
We can only hope. The theories that it would result in a hastening of another glacier building period (of our current ice age) would be catastrophic for humanity. The latest denial seems to be that the sun can have any effect on climate, and that even with a Maunder type minimum event, which you would expect based on the scant evidence of the past, even a quiet sun can’t stop the horrendous global warming, and we are all in deep trouble.
The cool thing about this one, is a lot of us will live long enough to find out.
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Actually that bit is a classic boiler plate point from deniers, they tell all that scientists are ignoring what the sun does. When in reality scientists do take it into account to point out that indeed the deniers are still getting things wrong.
The CO2 concentrations of the past demonstrate that they did made a lot of difference while the sun was weaker than today.
BTW here are the sources that science writer Peter Hadfield refers to in the video:
Climate Sensitivity during the Phanerozoic: Lessons for the Future*. Dana L. Royer.
http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/pdfz/documents/2009/110115royer/ndx_royer.pdf.html
In essence, the best explanation of why while the sun was fainter in the past the earth did not froze permanently was that the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere then explains the warming that took place better than any other ideas.
Exploring the faint young Sun problem and the possible climates of the Archean Earth with a 3-D GCM
The problem now is that the sun is not fainter, it still remains in the background and the increase in warming observed now is still explained better by the increase of CO2 that we are dumping in the atmosphere.
I deny your denial!
Well of course, after all where the deniers would be if they can not use the also denier classic point about “it was much warmer 800 years ago because of all those turbo-charged hand carts”? Actually many scientists have explained why many times before but deniers even deny that those issues were explained before.
http://news.utexas.edu/2010/11/11/climate_myth4
And only quacks advise people about removing all their mercury fillings because of the “dangers”. Remember, this tread is about many types of denial, and you offer many examples on many issues indeed.
PHAW !!!
“We stand at the dawn of a new Golden Age of Human Experience”, our great-great-grandchildren will pave their roads out of the gold they spin out of straw without any worries of packed snow making these slippery suckers even more slippery.
I think an ice-free Earth is a good thing.
A golden age with “richess”? Well, at least Greenland will be lovely.
And that is also a golden classic denier talking point too.
How can anyone deny that all these problems and questions will soon be solved by some bright person in a garage somewhere?
I consider a well-shaped pair of buttocks, especially on a lovely woman, one of the nicer aspects of existence. Those who disparage the booty and its importance are misguided fools, and I will gladly bandy words to refute their nonsense
I am, in short, a derrière denier replier.
Surely you jest. But I’m optimist that technology will appear to reduce the price for adaptation. Although I’m not much of an optimist that the xenophobia currently observed against immigrants will change soon when the changes get worse.
One should notice that the contradictory nature of denial is here with a vengeance, one would ask here to watchwolf49 if he and others are so sure that CO2 will not warm the earth and the sun will cool down then why insist now that a golden age brought by the warming is coming then? He should had made up his mind ages ago!
Habeed and others are right on pondering how it is that deniers could be functioning when we see that display of “intelligence”.
It’s the internet. Somebody will always deny, it doesn’t matter what you say. Somewhere there is always a troll looking for an argument.
See?
Everyone can see how much of a coward you are on avoiding facing your contradictions and your denial of the ADA.
Humans are very good at adapting, see the new EPA rules …
There’s others ??? I wasn’t aware anyone else advocated global warming as a good thing. Dang, I thought my species of denialism was unique.
I’m running a little thin here … is human contribution to CO[sub]2[/sub] levels 20 Gt yr[sup]-1[/sup] … 30 Gt yr[sup]-1[/sup] … or 40 Gt yr[sup]-1[/sup]?
Not unique, and everyone can notice that you did not explain what is it then. Are the scientists wrong and the sun will cool down the earth and CO2 will not warm the earth, or we will see [del]witches[/del] riches in a coming warm golden age?
Sure, GIGO, anything you say … [del]which[/del] witch scientists?
It is what you said, not my problem if you want to demonstrate to all how forgetful you are.
So, have you officially dropped that cooling nonsense or do you think contradictorily that the opposite is going to happen anyhow and a warm age of riches is coming?
My actual position on that thread was …
If you dispute this, please make your comment on that thread. Witch scientists?
Again the point was that I reported a miasma of contradictions coming from you, you indeed claimed that there, but right away in the pit you indeed “clarified” (later in the thread I linked too) that the laws of thermodynamics where being broken somehow if Zharkova was dismissed. The point is that you can claim whatever you want, but in reality you are still keeping the mess of contradictions in mind.
Again, just very forgetful and hinting to all that you have more like a dizzying intellect.
So, can you tell all that the colling idea there was complete nonsense?