Today, I heard a male university student say “Bro!” to a young woman before explaining why he liked something. And I heard a group of young women call each other “bro”. Clearly I am unfamiliar with the many modern uses of this word.
In Japanese, 皆さん minna san, everyone, is frequently used to address a group in polite speech. They also have a plural form for “you” which is also used.
It would be cool (and using that word, I’m telling you my age) to have a gender neutral word. I have youngish kids, they have friends. I deal with large groups of children of various genders.
“You guys” is easiest, and I think the most gender neutral, whereas “you little rats” is what I mean. I don’t think that that phrase is publically appropriate, though.
If I’m certain no one minds, I’ll say “you guys” to address any mix of genders—it’s casual and comfortable among folks I know well.
2. Very Casual Informal Audience
For something like a room full of used car salespeople, I’ll switch it up based on who’s in the crowd:
◦ All male: “you guys”
◦ All female: “you gals”
◦ Mixed: “you guys and gals”
3. General Informal Audience
When speaking to a broader group (e.g., a co-ed crowd of accountants), I might say “you guys and gals,” but I’m more likely to say “ladies and gents.” It keeps things inclusive but still light.
4. Formal Audience
Addressing, say, the former Queen of England and her court, I usually steer clear of “you guys” (and almost always avoid “youze guys”), opting for more formal titles and language. Otherwise, the reply may be “off with his head!” I’m not going to make that mistake again.
My wife was mansplained by her boss how women hate to be called “ladies” … so much that it is offensive.
I have never seen that but I’m not ready to say what women find offensive. So any women hate being called a lady as a collective noun?
I posted above that I don’t get why “ladies” has to be ruled out. I think the perception of whether it’s good, bad, or neutral is highly subjective. I’ve always taken it as neutral. Sometimes conventional formalities are just that: conventional formalities and nothing more.
Right, but rather than as a social norm question, I’m asking the females in the thread if they personally find being called ladies offensive or otherwise hate it.
Pretty much the same reason as for “guys” - someone is uncomfortable. I remember (jeez almost 50 years ago) at work one of my colleagues sometimes referred to women as “gals.” My colleague was an extremely friendly and openly gay woman, nevertheless some gal took her aside to say they didn’t like being called a gal.
Our language does not support our aspirations and it isn’t adapting quickly enough.
I’m sure if someone took you aside to say they didn’t like it you’d try to stop using it for them. Keeping track of everyone’s preferences isn’t a good use of our brain cells.