Really, Blaron, I agree that testing everyone is probably over the top. But really, so what? You don’t have a right to be drunk at your prom.
Oh, gimme a break. I strongly suspect that the school administration isn’t trying to boil you like a frog (a weird image at best) simply because they enjoy stomping civil rights or something.
IANAL, but I figure that the administration’s trying to cover its’ own collective legally bound ass: They don’t want this to be the year that some (underage) asshole does decide that he’s okay to drive home with alcohol in his system, so they’re taking precautions. They’re taking responsibility for the well-being of the students in their care.
We drank at our friend’s house on Prom Night, at a party we threw, with the permission of everyone’s parents. I’m amazed at how many parents freak about underage drinking. Most of us stayed overnight, no big deal. And frankly, most of us had been sneaking booze since middle school anyhow at mixers and various parties…
I figure if kids want to do it, arrange it so they do it under your nose and in such a way that nobody’s driving til the next day. Then the school needn’t be involved at all.
ah, thanks Ferret… lack of quotes caused me some confusion… it is late at night after all.
And Blalron
… it’s not the school’s fault! You’re ranting against the wrong bossman here. It’s the US Government, not your school, or you principal. He’s just doing what he has to do to protect himself under the law.
We are NOT
“guilty until proven innocent”
The assumption should be that we are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. We should not have to submit to an intrusive search to prove that we are innocent.
Fight the power, dude! :giggle:
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I hesistated to put in that analogy, since I knew somebody would be along shortly to refute it. But it really sounded neat and if anyone has a similar example that actually would be true I’d appreciate it.
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Mockingbird:
- It was a joke. Geez. Overreact much?
- The OPer is a bit of a nitwit.
- He’s protesting the school not wanting drunken teens at a dance. Which is illegal.
Oh, the humanity!
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Normally I think teenagers whine to much but I have to agree with part of what Blalron says. I believe it is completely unreasonable for the school to give every student attending the prom a breathalyzer. It may be legal for them to do so but I won’t support their actions.
Calling the cops is pretty reasonable if they think a student has been drinking.
Marc
I have no problem with testing people who appear to be inebriated, but giving everyone a breathalyzer seems a bit excessive. It seems like to me that the brethalyzer should only be used for cause, not indiscriminately.
Refusing entry to people that are obviously drunk doesn’t strike me as wrong, but calling the police seems a bit extreme. I would think that refusing them entry would be enough to protect the school from liability. It’s not their duty to ensure that students are not drinking after school hours, just that they are not drinking or drunk on school grounds.
I’m not a big fan of random drug testing, either. IMHO, the same principle should apply: if a person gives cause, then they should be tested. Urinating on command into a cup is somewhat of a humiliating and embarassing experience. A breatalyzer is not as intrusive as a drug test, but it seems a bit unessecary to make everyone blow into a tube.
What if it’s .01? What if it’s just mouthwash? Should we have to be scared of even using mouthwash because they might sic the cops on us?
He’s protesting them giving breath tests to everyone who attends. I do not believe his complaints are entirely without merit.
Marc
Have you seen some of the shit Blalron has posted lately? Pardon me if I save my sympathy for the frogs.
All he needs to do is deny entrance. He doesn’t need to call the cops. And he doesn’t need to test EVERYBODY.
My WAG is that the faculty couldn’t find anyone to volunteer to smell all the attendees breath for alcohol as they went in, which is what they did at all my high school dances.
What I’ll probably do is write something in the school paper. Better than standing outside on a cold, rainy oregon night.
Lissa, I’d imagine, though, that the school would still be liable (or at the very least the adult being the “bouncer”) if they sent the kid/kids away and something bad happened, without reporting it.
Blalron, you need to really clarify what your issue is here.
Are you arguing that students should be allowed to drink and then go to the prom? Your statements here lead me to believe so:
That’s a laugh. “Student rights”!?!? You have a right to break the law on school property? :rolleyes:
Or are you arguing that your rights are being infringed upon by even being tested at all? This supports that interpretation of your argument:
And still, you’re being ridiculous. Your school does not draft you into the army, so the draft has nothing to do with the hypocracy or lack thereof of your school. As for being arrested for mouthwash use, does anyone know if mouthwash’ll actually make you blow something significant? And, Blalron as much as you might think the man wants to get you, in general, the cops would say, if you told them nicly that it was just mouthwash, “oh, ok kid… don’t do drugs,” and let you on your way.
So, it might help if you’d clarify your rant and your position a bit. I know it’s not GD, but if you want to ellicit anything more than mild amusement from anyone reading this, you ought to get a little more focused.
Are you not reading here? He does need to call the cops. Imagine, if you will, teacher at the door, smells and/or breathalyzes student, and suspects student (or knows) of drinking, and sends him/her back out on the road. Kid gets in accident on the way home, and teacher/school is sued, teacher loses job, etc, etc, etc. The only proper response from a person hired by the town to supervise minors in absence of their parents is to report underage drinking to the police, in all instances.
I’ve heard, but can’t swear to, that people with severe halitosis can fail a breathalyzer.
This is rich. You’re going to stand up for your rights and protest if the weather allows? Jesus, you have less fiber than a bowl of chili.
Haj