In fact, the 1950s were much, much worse than the present in terms of black students getting college education. Whatever “we” did, it seems to have greatly helped black people have the opportunity to go to college.
I’ve got some things going on that are going to keep me off the board for the most part for the next several days, but the fact that you’ve managed to ferret out one metric where things might be better hardly disproves my claims. I’m talking about how students learn throughout their entire childhood. The quality of education in this country in the main is atrocious and even worse for black kids for the reasons I’ve already mentioned.
Plus as you well know my comments were made in regard to the quality of schooling for the black population overall and not only about ‘black parents who value college educations’.
Criminey, you’re a disingenuous twit.
And I don’t have time to waste looking at your link but I’m not about to believe that 60% of all black kids go to college.
But I’ll guarantee you the quality of education that black and white kids both who start college today is nowhere near the quality of education kids in the 50s and 60s had. As an example, it isn’t unusual these days to hear college kids using shitty grammar (me and her, have you went) that wouldn’t have flown in elementary school back then. And like I’ve also already mentioned, it’s possible these days to graduate high school unable to read or write at a first grade level. And it doesn’t make any difference if that only applies to a relatively small number of students. It shouldn’t apply to any. And as I’m sure you know the ignorance scales up and so do the numbers. How many are graduating with only a 4th grade level of education? A 6th grade level? A middle school level? Etc. When you look at the number of kids who graduate with less than what passes these days for a 12th grade education the numbers get higher. And I’m talking education overall, not just for black kids. And then of course there’s the dropout rate to consider, which is also likely very much higher than it was in the days when kids actually had two parents at home and schools actually saw to it that kids learned things.
And regardless of what “we” did, the demagogue move by Starving Artist is to continue to ignore the efforts that **Republicans ** did in the past to make things better, sometimes with the help of the army.
And some times with the help of the Justice department that put the pressure on discrimination in housing (for example), As they did pressure Trump and others in the past to do the right thing.
I’ll take this as a “no” – facts that disagree with your own preconceived narrative about America must be false, no matter their source, because nothing must challenge your narrative. There’s no chance that your own narrative could be false in any way and any information that seems to refute it must be false. It doesn’t matter what actual black people say, Starving Artist knows what they really believe (or should believe – maybe they’re too ignorant and enslaved by liberalism to know better). It doesn’t matter what actual education statistics show, Starving Artist knows that education was better in the 1950s. The stats must be lying.
Got it. Shame, though. Personal growth is hard, but it’s not impossible.
You’ll note that I’m not asking you to throw everything you believe away. I’m just asking you to consider that maybe, possibly, you tend to look on the past with rose-colored glasses just a bit, and maybe, possibly, your views of the 1950s are not fully accurate for black people’s experiences, and maybe, possibly, real progress has been made even in things like education that you believe have regressed.
I’m of unremarkable intelligence, and my work ethic is just slightly “above average”.
If I had come of age in the 1950s, education would have been my most realistic option. Maybe I could have become a professor at Tuskeegee, Howard, or Fisk. But not teaching the hard sciences. Only very special black women–the ones not easily discouraged by adversity or given to excessive daydreaming–made it that far. And I’m not a “very special” anything.
Only recently have unremarkable black folk such as myself been able to compete against equally unremarkable white people in the professional arena with some glimmer of hope that we’d get a fair shot. We didn’t get that chance in the 1950s. No, folks like us were relegated to kitchens and nurseries.
Whenever I start feeling nostalgia for the glorious days when Adam Clayton Powell, Thurgood Marshall, and Spotswood Robinson represented black power, I stop myself. Because I realize that the reason I can rattle off these names is because there were so few of them. Now there are tons of black Americans out there who are just as impressive as those guys. And many of them are women! Whodathunk?
Ain’t no way the 1950s are better than what we have now.
You seem pretty remarkable to me, monstro. 
Yeah, liberals usually think things are better now as long as their own personal area of concern gets addressed. That’s one of my main gripes about liberalism…fix this and to hell with the consequences.
Lynn Bodoni once told me she didn’t care about all the people who’ve died because of drugs and crime since the sixties because now she can have her own checking account.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
She was wrong in buying into that fiction in the first place. My mother and stepmother and who knows how many other women had them.
But even so…cripes!!! :smack:
I think it’s hard to argue that they’re have been lots of good changes that have resulted in really good things, like many more blacks going to college. But I don’t think the same positive results have been showered on average inner-city black school children.
The law allowed banks in past decades to discriminate against women, though not all banks choose to do so. Some did, though. Changing that law was a good thing for America.
I’m mad I live in a country where a sizable part of the populace considers Trump a candidate for President. If he were to somehow win, this country would be twice the laughing stock it was when W was president.
I give about as much of a shit what other countries think of us as they do about the U.S. when setting the course of their own affairs.
And yeah, we’d be a laughingstock right up to the point Trump starts showing them how the job should really be done. Then I expect them to either fall in line or start wondering how the hell to come out ahead.
If this isn’t an example of willful ignorance, I don’t know what is.
It’s not, “those statistics are flawed because of x,y, and z.” Instead, it’s “I have a world view that I refuse to challenge. I won’t be educated on the subject, and any information that deviates from what I believe is, by definition, unreliable.”*
Holy fuck, what an ignorant attitude. Perhaps the stats are flawed; the best I can surmise is that the percentage of Black Americans with college degrees is on a significant upward path, but still doesn’t represent a majority of the Black population. But to not even be willing to look at data…
I suppose it’s the same mindset that let’s a person believe that “drive-by shootings” didn’t exist in the middle of the 20th century, since apparently gangsters were always black kids in inner cities.
Or that drugs didn’t exist back then, since alcohol isn’t intoxicating or ever leads to bad outcomes.
Or that kids these days don’t learn to read (can anybody find literacy rates for the U.S. in the 1950’s? I haven’t been able to. I suspect it’s because these metrics weren’t being kept, especially among minority populations).
I mean, we could look at infant mortality, poverty rates, life expectancy, and other facts to consider whether the world has improved in 65 years, but, what’s the point? As long as you can fondly recall having a milkshake with the town bully back in the day, what’s the point of analysis, right?
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, that’s some serious ignorance right there.
*(not direct quotes, obviously)
How did white hippies destroy the black family?
Biff Tannen.
Trump is the George McFly of the political landscape. Can’t you see that?!
I looked more in depth at the link (here it is again) that Starving Artist refuses to look at. It measured total educational enrollment, not just 4-year colleges – so educational enrollment from all sources (college, vocational school, career training, etc.) for black kids age 18-19 went from ~20% in 1950 to ~60% in 2000. Very interesting and positive progress – no idea why such good news about this great country of America would be so anathema to our fellow Doper.
His love for America is eclipsed by his hatred of his fellow Americans.
White hippies gave us the Doobie Brothers.
Which gave us Michael McDonald.
Who gave us Yah Mo B There.
It’s been downhill from there.
That’s because I only smoke two crack rocks a day, instead of the four that is typical for black people. I guess the dirty commie pinko homosexual hippies haven’t led me astray enough.
And yet you say…
Given your intelligence and work ethic, what makes you think you have what it takes to be a professor at one of the three top schools for your kind*? You are no Adam Clayton Powell, Thurgood Marshall, nor Spotswood Robinson, and, on top of it, you are a female. An inner-city elementary school is about the best you can hope for, girl*.
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- Words chose for that degrading Nifty Fifties effect that some people are nostalgic for. :rolleyes:
But Michael McDonald also gave us “I keep forgettin”, which gave us “Regulate” by Warren G, so it wasn’t all bad.
Greedo?