Could you prove to me that every single person to be listed is worthy of a memorial?
None of them ever did a little rapeing or whoreing while fighting for liberty or fathered a child and left the bastard in the forien land?
I’m sorry but putting on a uniform and being shot does not automatically qualify you for a memorial other than your headstone. (if you are lucky enough to get a proper burial) Saying lets put up a memorial to our war dead because they served their country is exclusionary. How about graduates that served as policemen? Or Firemen? What about Postmen and IRS agents don’t they serve their country? What if you went to war and lived to come home and die of old age? You don’t get on the memorial? Does that make sense? Some guy who saw combat for 2 minutes because thats how long he lived through D-Day gets a memorial but someone who took the complete walking tour of Europe does not!
Well, who made the greater sacrifice? And that’s why we put up these memorials. To express our thanks to those who have given their lives or our freedom. Sorry if I consider that more special than the guy who audits people so the government can get more money, and goes home safe every day.
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Interesting question, if it had any relevance to the OP or the article!. I don’t see the PC police on campus making this argument.
Could you prove to me that every single person to be listed is worthy of a memorial?
Could you prove to me that everyone U.S. citizenship is worthy of citizenship? No? It’s called making a reasonable assumption.
None of them ever did a little rapeing or whoreing while fighting for liberty or fathered a child and left the bastard in the forien land?
Show the bastard committed war crimes, (BTW, what’s wrong with the whoring business?), and I’ll be the first to advocate his name gets removed. Again, of course, this isn’t the reason for the dissent at UG. Did you read the article?
I’m sorry but putting on a uniform and being shot does not automatically qualify you for a memorial other than your headstone. (if you are lucky enough to get a proper burial)
'Course it does. Saying lets put up a memorial to our war dead because they served their country is exclusionary. How about graduates that served as policemen? Or Firemen? What about Postmen and IRS agents don’t they serve their country?
All of them had the choice, as do you and I, to join the military. You can go join the military and go get shot somewhere. In fact, I strongly recommend it. What if you went to war and lived to come home and die of old age? You don’t get on the memorial? Does that make sense? Some guy who saw combat for 2 minutes because thats how long he lived through D-Day gets a memorial but someone who took the complete walking tour of Europe does not!
Ever hear of the WWII memorial now being built on the National Mall? It ain’t just for those who died, but for all those who fought.
People like you make it embarrassing for people like me to be liberal.
I have an idea, why don’t we just put up a big smiley face, with the names of every man, woman, child, asshole and wanker in the country. Oooh,Oooh, how 'bout a statue to war profiteers…
Lets face it. War happens. Maybe every war isn’t just, like Vietnam, or the Spanish American war. However, the average joe that was drafted, did his duty, and got his ass shot off defending some godforsaken peice of dirt somewhere, deserves to be remembered.
And if you’re German or Japanese, or Italian, and you’re offended by WW II memorials, too fucking bad. I’m sorry your people suffered, but we did the right thing, sometimes kicking and screaming and not always in the most honorable fashion(Dresden), but ultimately right. Hell, put up a memorial to the Japanese Americans inturred during the war. But don’t tell me our boys don’t deserve to be remembered. While you’re at it, put up a memorial to the gals that stayed at home and kept the factories running, and broke codes for the OSS, and traveled with the USO and gave their sons to the Army.
Getting your balls shot off for your country may not be glamorous, or PC, or even sane, but it is honorable, and deserves to be remembered.
** Yes dad I read the article. However I don’t recognize FOXNEWS as a news source but the others were informative. Show the bastard commited war crimes? You are the one who wants to build a memorial you need to prove that the persons on the memorial deserve it.
Finally let me make plain that I am not trying to make the case for the protesters at UG. These are my own arguements.
** A matter of opinion. Your view is accepted as fact whereas I am just pointing out that it aint’ necessairly so.
** You recomend it! Why did you really like it when it happened to you? The argument is that these people died serving their country. An FBI agent who dies in the line of duty is unworthy? A guy who is just a cop who dies in the line of duty is not on the list? Here is where I argue that it is exclusionary. Not excluding the people the protesters are saying. I’m saying that there are plenty of people who die while in the service of their county who are not in the Army/Navy/AirForce/Marines/Coast Gaurd. Hell even Postmen have died while in the service of their country. Maybe none of them went to UG but maybe some did.
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Now you are straying from the subject at hand. Did you read the article? We are not talking about that memorial.
Oh no I not be a correct liberal! You are only a correct liberal if you think like SUA!
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What the guy in the war that got his legs blown off and went home alive? Or the guy who can’t get the smell of burning flesh out of his nose? Or the guy who wakes up screaming every night? Or his wife who holds and rocks him back to sleep as he cries and cries. What this memorial does is say a big FUCK YOU to all of these people because they didn’t die during the proper time frame.
I guess what I am getting at is that I don’t think that death is the ultimate sacrifice.
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I’m not sure you ment to agree with me but thanks anyway.
The articles linked state that the compromise proposal, the one with the words “in service to the U.S. Military”, passed the executive committee unanimously. Speaking as a veteran and a son, grandson, great-grandson, great-great-grandson, and great-great-great-grandson of veterans, BRAVO.
This is a cause for outrage? Frankly, the position that some folks associated with UGA might object to the idea that all of the people remembered were “in the service of liberty” seems well-founded. It takes neither PC gone mad nor anti-patriotic loathing to acknowledge that fact. Some people spoke up. A compromised was reached. The memorial seems to be off ot a good start.
That is a nice practical example of the democratic ideals that so many of my family did risk their lives to support.
Excellent Point Spiritus Mundi
And what do you think of Americans who think people should die for expressing an opinion? Like in the title of the thread.
No, moron, the idea behind a memorial is to honor those who fought and died for their country. As the U.S. does not have an extensive history of war crimes, we should assume that the people who died acted honorably. If it is shown they didn’t, remove their names from the memorial.
** A matter of opinion. Your view is accepted as fact whereas I am just pointing out that it aint’ necessairly so.
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True. And, in my opinion, your opinion is that of a jackass who enjoys the benefits of the actions of those who died for the U.S., but is too elitist to recognize that debt.
** You recomend it! Why did you really like it when it happened to you?
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No, but I would REALLY REALLY like it if it would happen to you.
Guess what, ya schmuck? There are memorials all around this country to law enforcement officers and others who died on duty. The memorial at UG is not intended to honor them, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist, nor does it mean that the UG memorial shouldn’t be built.
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Now you are straying from the subject at hand. Did you read the article? We are not talking about that memorial.
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As I understand your idiocy, the memorial at UG must honor everybody from UG who ever did anything for the U.S., whether they lived or died. Well, that will be one really fucking big memorial. One memorial doesn’t have to honor everybody - if it did, the purpose of the memorial would be a bit, um, muddled. My mention of the WWII memorial was directly on point, as it showed that memorials do exist to those who survived a war. UG can’t have memorials to everybody - they need some acreage for classrooms and the like.
Nope, just you are a jackass if you don’t think, period.
I think that it’s a fine example of milo being milo. I take it as hyperbolic vitriol designed to inflame passions rather than foster understanding. I think such tactics often indicate a weak or insufficiently reasoned position. They have no place in GQ or GD, but are hardly unusual in the PIT.
I certainly do not think that it was a serious proposal that the protesters should be killed.
Here, you criticized the UGA people in the article. I agree with the people in the article. Therefore, I disagree with YOU.
You think the US was wrong to get involved in Vietnam. Doesn’t that ALSO mean that the soldiers were wrong? There is no honor in fighting for the country that is in the wrong.
Every single man drafted to serve in Vietnam should have said, “Hell, no! I won’t go!”
Every. Single. One.
The ones who were in the military at the time should have mutinied. As the question asks, “What if they gave a war and no one came?”
To be really reallly cynical about it, War Memorials to the dead are one of the ways we convince 18 and 19 year old boys act in ways completely against thier instincts–to run towards the other guy with the gun. Memorials to the past are a promise to the solders of the present and the future: “If you die today, you won’t be forgotten, and society will encourage your family to take pride in what you did. Your lfe will have been meaningful, even though it ended before it even really started.” Considering what we will almost certainly ask our solders to do again someday, I think that the promise of being posthumously honored is the least we can do.
Now that is a slap in the face to men and women who served their country when it called.
Hindsight is a lovely thing, but the the situation was far less clear in 1970. Hell, even now good people can disagree on if or when one nation can rightfully intervene in the civil afairs of another. Kosovo? Bosnia? Somalia? Beirut? Quwait? Haiti?
Perhaps you can explain to me the perspective which allows you to so certainly condemn the ethical decisions of hundreds of thousands of soldiers.
Zebra - You’re the worst kind of fucking idiot. You’re a smug little fuck that doesn’t appreciate what hundreds of thousands of your countrymen sacrificed over several generations to allow you to be a smug, unappreciative, naive dumbfuck.
I was all prepared to tell you a little anecdote about a friend who has grown up knowing her father only as a guy in a uniform in a photo album, but I won’t waste the finger exertion. The dishonor you’ve already shown to those who died at Normandy speaks for itself.
That you could see the University of Georgia honoring former University of Georgia students and faculty who served and died in a military as a “fuck you” to other people speaks to your cluelessness.
And I take that as Spiritus Mundi being Spiritus Mundi. And you’re just full enough of yourself to take that as a compliment, I’m sure.
You figured out that the thread title wasn’t serious! Damn, you really are a genius!
I’m sorry for all those folks out there who read this and weren’t able to understand the concept. (So far I count two or three.) I just wasn’t “fostering understanding.” And I wasn’t aware that FoxNews isn’t considered a credible news source.