Right now I’m envisioning the monument to the people who would oppose this: A group of people waving their fists in self-aggrandizing rage, standing atop a mountain of dead soldiers.
Absolutely right. The military should make moral decisions on its own -
“Boys, the U.S. policy on abortion is completely immoral. We’re marching on Washington to hang them baby killers!”
We, the people who elect our Presidents and representatives, should make the moral decisions. It is our fault, not the guys in uniform, that we went into Vietnam, and stayed there so long. The American people could have voted for Gene McCarthy or George McGovern, and chose not to.
The last thing you want is the people with the guns deciding what is right and wrong. The best you get with that is Turkey, and the worst is Pinochet’s Chile.
Sua
I work at UGA and have had a front-row seat for the festivities which followed Ms. Chason’s ill-conceived objections to the memorial.
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The professor who wrote the original proposal made a shoddy job of it (no provisions for funding, location etc. etc.). Most of the people who voted against it on the committee did so for those reasons, not the ones Ms. Chason articulated. Apparently he lost his biological father in WWII and understandably got a little emotional when he wrote up the proposal. Once he re-wrote it including those niggling details, it easily passed (I believe Ms. Chason either voted against or abstained during the second vote) and has been passed on to the faculty for a vote. Everyone expects it will easily pass there as well. Anyone worried that the ‘PC Nazis’ have somehow won this thing needn’t. The Red-and-Black is known for sensational journalism and simply created an incident by only quoting Ms. Chason’s concerns, not the more informed and rational ones of the rest of the members on the committee. The media does that; it helps them sell more magazines if they keep people semi-informed and angry.
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Ms. Chason is demonstratively an idiot. I know, I’ve actually had the misfortune to talk to her before (and y’all can trust my judgement here–it involved me explaining to her repeatedly that since the library didn’t purchase books just for her, she actually should RETURN them when other patrons request the books she has charged out). She is that ‘special’ type of personality that wouldn’t see the light if you detonated a small nuclear device in her otherwise hollow cranium. You’ll have to trust me on that one too. Allowing empty-headed individuals like her who embody all the negative aspects of our hallowed Ivory Towers and none of the positive is simply counter-productive. Let her to do her hand-waving and shrill yowling in an empty, dark room. It’s all she deserves and y’all are giving her more attention with your ire than she merits. Really.
Anyway, just thought you should know.
Thanks for the perspective, Wabbit.
Given the recent item in the news about Brown students and faculty who objected to the Horowitz ad about why slave reparations are a bad idea, who reacted by stealing all copies of the school newspaper, followed up by this at UGA …
makes one wonder what’s up on campuses these days.
It’s a bit creepy to me that it was that easy to find anyone who agreed with the empty-headed Miss Chason. And some who do were quoted in various media accounts.
Hell, we’ve found one, maybe more, here.
Thanks, Milo. Even you get one right occassionally.
Milo
When you get down to it this memorial says being dead is more important than being alive. I also wouldn’t suggest trying to one-up me with stories about frineds of yours who didn’t know their dads I would cream you there.
You can speculate all you want on my attitudes towards the US military. So far you are nowhere near reality. As far as your ‘joke’ title to the thread goes I know it a joke and insult. What, are you the only one who can make mean joke in the pit?
If you want a memorial to people who served that would be fine but I against saying those who died are more deserving than those who lived.
FoxNews? Why on earth did this even make the news? A proposal was made to a campus and a comittee did thier job and discussed it. People expressed their views and a vote was taken. How on earth is this news?
But we are not out of the woods yet folks.
The UofG is going to run into a bigger problem.
Lets thinks for a second. The want to put the names of people associted with the UofG who died while fighting in serice of their country. They are going back to the war of 1812. (do you see where I’m going) So are you going to put the names of those who died in the War of Northern Aggression on the plaque? Do you the name of your relative who died trying to stop Hitler next to the name of a guy who died trying to stop Lincoln?
I don’t think we have heard the last of the war memorial at the UofG.
Danm it that wasn’t ment to be all bold.
I hope that it was meant to be all stupid, since you pulled that off really well. :rolleyes:
Can I be Spiritus Mundi as well please?
Not quite what I had in mind. I was thinking more along the lines of passive resistance.
I don’t see what the big deal is. It’s not exactly the first such memorial. My high school had memorials to its alumni that gave their lives in the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam, and perhaps more. My fraternity house has plaques commemorating our brothers who died in WWI and WWII. I believe both plaques were actually erected by other brothers who came back from those wars, and were probably unaware they were saying a big FUCK YOU to themselves.
Hell, the Vietnam Memorial and the Tomb of the Unknown Soldiers haven’t seen protests by veterans feeling slighted because they lived. Could you perhaps provide evidence of any reputable veterans organization that has heard this “FUCK YOU”?
And Jab, only an idiot would hold 18 year old boys responsible for deciding the foreign policy of the nation correctly and with 30 years of hindsight. There’s a reason we elect people to make these decisions for us. As it turned out, we ended up with people who fucked us over for their own evil purposes. The blame lays squarely on their heads.
I’d like to point out that this:
is absolutely the stupidest thing I have ever read.
The thing to keep in mind, Mr. C, is that there are more than a few people that feel that way, at least to a degree. It’s stunning.
On a more positive front, however, there is hope for zebra.
Read the caption below the photo.
I’m not talking from 30 years of hindsight. I’m remembering how I felt when I was 14, in 1972, when the war was happening. And if I could figure out that we had no business in Vietnam, so could someone at 17 or 18 or 19.
No, we elect people to carry out our decisions. We don’t elect them to do our thinking for us. Well, I don’t, anyway.
And on ours for letting them do that.
As a Michigan resident, I was pleased to learn that Michigan State University goalie Ryan Miller won the NCAA’s Hobey Baker Award this year for being voted the top collegiate hockey player in the nation.
That was, until I read this:
What a big-time FUCK YOU that is to all the soldiers who lived through WWI, or who weren’t on that plane. What an insult that is to people who fly on and survive flights every day.
I say we change the name of the award to include every person who ever lived, and then give it to every hockey player (So as to not insult those not voted “the best.” I mean, that’s not very inclusive). And then give it to other particpants in other sports, too, male and female. And transgendered. And students who don’t particpate in any sport, because why should they be exluded?
For that matter, why should it be limited to just those fortunate to be receiving a college education?
So, after careful consideration, I think the award should be named after every person who ever lived, be given to every living person, for everything they’ve ever done.
Or not done.
I concur.
Oh sure. What a giant FUCK YOU to every dead person who’s not receiving the award. Giving it only to the living is highly exclusionary and disenfranchising to the Life-Challenged.
Hey, FUCK YOU.
Milo, I agree with you completely on this one. Especially the earlier comment about how creepy this whole thing is.
People can keep telling me how these outrageous acts of insane political correctness are isolated, and just a passing thing. And yet, they keep happening. Again and again - with many of the acts being perpetrated by the so-called elite intelligentsia of the Nation - the academic community.
Sometimes I have this dream - nightmare, really. Wherein I see a future of an America swirling slowly down a liberal toilet where everyone is in a special little disenfranchised group of their own. Nothing can ever be done or undone in society, because it might offend someone, somewhere. No one truly has any freedom, because if there is any possibility you may offend someone you are guilty of a “hate crime”. A society where each individual rules with absolute tyranny over each other individual.
Maybe it’s just the morning Vodka talking, but this just scares the fuck out of me sometimes.
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Ahem, Zebra? It’s called punctuation. Use it.
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My guess is that war veterans value life more than any memorial. It’s a good thing to be remembered, but it’s a better thing not to have to be remembered. (Because they’re still alive. I don’t know if you caught on to that.) Also, I don’t think any veterans are bitter that someone else gave his life so the veteran didn’t have to. They probably know more than any of us about how much respect those guys command. Upset about not recieving a memorial, my ass.
But Zebra? When you die, I’ll definately put up a memorial. In my toilet.