I’m in favor of killing anyone who uses the expression kewl.
Tuckerfan: You looked it up instead of asserting that if we use abbreviations we don’t have anything of value to say. (Since if a geezer can’t understand it, it’s gibberish and worthless, right? :rolleyes:)
Therein lies the difference.
:rolleyes:
Who the hell cares about this art? Art is just art? What is with this junk that makes it so special?
Now that I provided some flamitory contrast to this debate I would like to say: You cannot sum up the value of human life (although some try) like you can with art, it isn’t worth that little. One person’s art is another’s junk.
Come on, this woman is a jerk, but sentencing her to death is just being a tad foolish. I say get over it people, it’s just some junk so quit acting like you lost your head.
This is easily among the top ten stupidest things I have ever seen an SDMB poster say. Probably the top 5.
Many of the serial killers in San Quentin and other prisons across the country are convicted of kidnapping victims and subjecting them to extended physical and sexual torture and terror before painfully murdering them, then often mutilating and dismembering their bodies. They have taken away everything these people are ever going to have, and taken them away from their families forever.
If you do not think that these actions are worse than the destruction of any artwork – even worse than fire-bombing Michelangelo’s David in broad daylight, or something – then your moral compass is so far off as to nearly qualify you for the title of sociopath.
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You are a fucking liar!. ThePeyoteCoyote said the diisgusting, “Kill the cunt,” comment, not me. I said that a reproduction of a painting is not as aesthetically satisfying as viewing the origional.
I also said in my first post, “no punishment is bad enough,” but I was thinking in terms of jail time, NOT capital puinishment, which
I generally oppose.
I expect an apology.
Sorry gobear, as you can tell by the fact it took two posts I was both tired and upset at the comment. I take back what I said.
PeyoteCoyote is the one who needs to start spending more time with kid2kid. Based on his screen name I can assume they will get along swimmingly.
Let’s see now, in the same post you call me both stupid and a sociopath (to be fair, you said nearly a sociopath – thanks for the distinction). Yet I dealt with the end result, the death of a person (which is inevitable for everyone), compared with destruction of the creative essence of a person, which can potentially outlive its creator by centuries, even millenia; while you preferred to dwell on images of torture, mutilation and dismemberment. The crimes you describe were heinous, and their perpetrators worthy of ultimate destruction. But the end result of their crimes, notwithstanding the path to that result, is the end all of us may expect.
To my mind, destruction of the creative output of any person is like killing the person twice. All artists die. But their work survives them unless a special kind of killer, like this woman, comes along and murders that too.
Art is not just paint on canvas or lines on paper. It is a life expressed and capable of being preserved. It is as precious as any other life. Any other, that is, that is not evil.
Do you believe in hell? Do you think anyone deserves to suffer for all eternity? If so, don’t call me a sociopath. I wouldn’t consign even Hitler to eternal torture. I believe death ends it all, and that murderers, torturers, art destroyers wind up exactly the same as the rest of us. They just end. I just think certain evil people should end sooner rather than later.
Of course this is the pit, and I should expect to be flamed and villified by some individuals who don’t agree with me. You can console yourself with images of me turning into a giant pork rind in the flames of hell (if that’s your belief – I didn’t ascribe it to you, but only asked the question). If you don’t, and just think I’m a rotten person, so be it. :rolleyes:
You also need to understand the distinction between calling a statement of yours stupid and calling you stupid.
No, I do not. Nor heaven. Nor god. Does this have something to do with whether destroying Guernica is worse than killing a human being?
Again, it manifestly is not, and for good and obvious reasons. To equate a painting – any painting – with a human life is morally reprehensible.
Yes, but I did know that you could look it up, and for the longest time I didn’t know that the Dope had a listing. Geezer’s still only in the low-triple digits as a poster, so I’m willing to over-look a simple faux paux.
We disagree. And, apparently, to disagree with you is to be morally reprehensible. Interesting…over six thousand posts and you still haven’t gotten over yourself.
If I were the painter and I was given the choice between losing my own life and seeing the distilled essence of that life (which could still stand for me for centries) destroyed, I would opt for my own death.
I would not say that I have ever created “great art” or anything even approaching it. But I have painted, and drawn, and written what I believe expresses me, and I can tell you unequivocally that, having once produced a particular work, seeing it destroyed would be like what I imagine losing a child would be like. Even though I was its creator, I couldn’t just “make another one.” Art isn’t “just stuff.”
The person who destroyed all those paintings did no less violence, in a sense, than if she had killed the artists or destroyed their children.
The art is the artist. The person. You don’t see it that way. I get it. I do see it that way. You don’t get it. Let’s just leave it at that. As far as I am concerned it’s just a difference of opinion. If you want to feel morally superior, go right ahead.
Thanks, I will. If someone puts a bullet in my head tomorrow, I’m certain it will be small consolation to my wife and my family that I have written some songs and released some recordings. Because they aren’t me.
pldennison, this if to you and to anybody else who’s interested. I’ve been thinking it over, and feeling a little guilty for not apologizing before. My statements that destroying art was worse than murder, and that I would rather be killed than have some of my petty artwork destroyed were just bullshit. I just got myself so invested in the argument that “the art is the person” that I went way overboard in defending an untenabale position.
I still say that art isn’t “just stuff,” though I don’t remember now who wrote that it was (probably not you). You were right. Some of my statements were stupid. I just got carried away. It’s not the first time. Probably won’t be the last. But I amcapable of admitting when I’ve been wrong. It gets easier all the time, as I’m wrong so often.
I hope you read this.