Hey, dumbass…Islam is not a race. When you reduce the phrase “Islamic country” into a race simply so that you can feign outrage at your own pretended perception of “racism,” you are doing what is known around here as “creating a strawman.”
The fact that you would see the word “Islamic” and immediately think in terms of race says more about you than about the OP.
Look, I know this is the pit. You can call people names like butt sucker and such but to
tell people to read Ayn Rand is just too cruel. Even for the pit.
It seems to me that you are doing a little bit of a no true scottsman scenario here. Is there any country in the world that meets your textbook style definition of “true capitalism”? You are the one who is adding this “true” qualifier to it. I simply pointed out that the US is a capitalist system, and as such out government isn’t responsible for wiping our asses for us.
A country where the government doesn’t run everything has some elements of capitalism. A country where the government runs more than nothing has some elements of socialism. So what? The notion that the US is a capitalist country, while simplistic, remains true. (Despite the best efforts of the left to change this.)
The role of the federal government of this country does not properly include redistributing wealth to ensure that no one ever has to “go to bed hungry, don’t have health insurance, clean water or a roof over their heads” as the OP stated. I don’t expect everyone to agree with this, but fortunately the US Constitution does.
I found the statement to be racist. I’m not “feigning” anything. Fuck you for questioning my motives.
Obviously Islam is a religion and not a race. However, IMO someone can be “racist” towards Islamic peoples. I simply think that the OP is hardly sophisticated enough to grasp the concept of “Arabic country” vs “Islamic country”.
In any case if someone where to say “I hate all Islamic people” I would consider that a racist statement, despite the fact that Islam is a religion and not a race.
Mr. Dole threw a grenade in combat and was hit by the fragments from it. So what? The point that you are so willfully missing is that Mr. Dole is dismissing a Purple Heart received for such a minor wound as a joke, something not worth crowing about. Mr. Kerry continuously brags about the Purple Hearts he received for minor wounds. If that was the only wound Mr. Dole ever got, and he was criticizing Kerry for Kerry’s combat shaving cuts, you would probably have a good point. Unfortunately, Mr. Dole did not parlay his slight wounds into a ticket home, the way Kerry did, he continued to serve until he was severely wounded, he still can’t use his arm much. I don’t even particularly like Mr. Dole much, I certainly didn’t vote for him, but I think you are being purposefully misleading and disingenuous if you are implying that Mr. Kerry’s and Mr. Dole’s war wounds are in any way of similar severity.
Are you saying that Medicare, welfare, the EPA and federal housing programs are unConstitutional?
You’d have thought someone would have noticed.
Meanwhile, the OP is enough to give us Peaceniks a bad name. There were heroes in Vietnam and heroes demonstrating on the streets against the war. There were heroes that went to Canada and Sweden rather than fight. But not everybody who left was a hero.
suezeekay, those “old geezers” have memories and adventures that you will never know about. You can’t possibly know all of their stories. And they are the same age inside that they’ve always been. If you are really a person of peace, you might try setting aside some of your prejudices.
Pax
Frankly, I read this statement the same way Debaser does, but I am willing to allow the OP a chance to elaborate (assuming she even returns to this thread, that is). Pray tell us, young Suezeekay, what exactly do you mean by this statement?
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Cite?
Suezeekay, you are clueless. Are you, what, 17? Do you pay taxes? At what point did you drive your mind off into the weeds?
The Vietnam Vets (and in general, anyone who does military service and puts their life in jeopardy in time of war) are indeed heroes, because they serve their country when they are asked to, and they put their lives on the line for all of the other people back in the U.S. who got to proceed with their lives, unimpeded by the nastiness of wars (be they political or otherwise).
A brief story. I know a guy who carried a rifle in Vietnam when he was 19 - he got the enviable task of walking through the jungle, looking for people who wanted to kill him. He did his duty because that what’s soldiers must do. He was lucky and wasn’t killed, but some of his friends were.
When he came back, he was kinda, sorta odd, but was never mean-spirited or angry. He was just happy to be home.
Sometimes, others around here will badmouth him for this or that thing he’s done over the last 30+ years (nothing serious - just the way he structured his life). Yet, his kids grew up reasonably well, and he had a positive impact on many hundreds of other kids (and adults) through the work he did.
Whenever anyone starts talking him down, I remind them that, in my mind, he gets the benefit of the doubt because of his war service. He gets my deep thanks for carrying a rifle and getting shot at (when I was at home, safe and secure), and by doing what the military asked him to do under circumstances that were difficult. He fulfilled his duty, which is a concept that most people just don’t get anymore, probably because they’ve been lulled into a sense of complacency and false intellectualism from sitting at their keyboards and watching TV too much.
I just now went back and re-read your OP. My God - you are really a piece of work.
How about the fact that it is prominently mentioned in his Bio on John Kerry dot com? cite. In fact, the only thing it says about his service in Vietnam is:
Since it’s his bio on his website, I would hazard a guess that’s what he considers the most important thing about that time in his life.
RE: “Kerry always bragging about his Purple Heart Medals”
Check out this site demonstrating Kerry’s renewed love affair with his previously-discarded medals
and be sure to stay with it right to the end. Don’t stop just cause you don’t like the first few frames.
:dubious:
One sentence mentions a Purple Heart one time in conjunctionwith his other medals. How exactly does this constitute continuous bragging? Or bragging at all, for that matter?
And what have YOU done for your country lately, suezeekay?
I mean, besides whine…
The above happens to be literally true, BTW. It is unnecessary to add the qualifier “Islamic,” though, because it is also true that we* (the U.S.A.) cannot “convert” any other nation into a democracy. Democracy, as with all other change, has to come from within.
For some reason I am unable to view the video.
I couldn’t agree more about trying to democratize Islamic countries. If I were the leader I wouldn’t send a soul one to defend the animlas that live there. My policy would be simple:
Kill all your people you want, just sell us cheap oil. And if you fuck with us or attack us we will not come over there to nation build but simply to blow your fucking county to hell and take what we want. Then leave you to build your own barbaric country back to whatever the hell you want it to be.
The only country I would fully support would be Israel and I would support them to the point of taking full control of their country, even if that meant displacing all Palestinians. My views may sound barbaric and inhumane as well. Oh well. BFD. Arab countries are not friendly to the West so fuck them. Let them live their lives and run (or ruin) their countries as they see fit. Just sell us cheap oil and we’ll see you on the other side. They want the West to leave them alone then so be it. Just let it be known we will utterly destroy them if they fuck with us. That means civilians as well as military.
We have enough allies in truly democratic societies that we need not worry about being isolated, lest someone accuse me of being isolationist. I peronally know people stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan and it makes me very angry their lives are at risk everyday for what amounts to defending animals and people too cowardly to want something better. I would only have removed Saddam for the same reasons we removed the Taliban; they harbored the people that attacked us. I’d also have sent a clear message to Pakistan that unless you find Osamma and give him up then we will come in and find him. If that means blowing your piece of shit country to hell too then so be it. But in my scenario I don’t believe he would have escaped because I would not have diverted troops to Iraq and I would not have had so much red tape in place to have allowed him to escape.
The preceeding applies to any country that is not a true ally of the USA that may attack us.
Fuck Bush & fuck Kerry. I’m to the point where someone like ol’ Pat B. might be what we need here.
Sign me,
Sick of this bullshit.
<my guest membership ends tonight or tomorrow, not sure which. And since I can’t see the point of paying $15 to post here, I’ll only be reading occasionally. So be sure and flame the hell out of me and add a few “good riddances” blah blah blah>
Dear Ignorant Gaping Twat:
While I agree in part with some of your puerile ramblings, I take issue with this portion. I would offer the following:
I am a Vietnam vet and am no hero.
I perpetuate no myths pertaining to my service at that time.
I am a loser who stayed in the military until retirement age.
It is impossible to ‘retire’ on an enlisted military pension; my retirement check today is approximately $1600 per month, this after 23 years of service and now 14 years into said ‘retirement’. My ex gets half of that.
I have worked every day of the last 40 years of my life and earned every nickel I have.
So fuck you very much for the insults. I hope you get the clap. Love, Cheffie
Nitpick - you’re talking to Legolamb. I used to be lambchops, no relation.
Iraq is not now and has never been an “Islamic nation”. The majority of the population identify as Muslims, sure. But that doesn’t make Iraq an “Islamic nation” any more than Australia’s a “Christian nation”.
And you can’t forcibly convert any nation into a democracy - it only happens at the behest of the people.
From Bob Dole’s website:
I can’t tell a fucking dime’s worth of difference between this line and the line from Kerry’s website. Can you?
A line from a bio on a personal website hardly counts as “always bragging.”
BTW, how many fucking Purple Hearts do you have? What is so heroic about you that you feel qualified to mock the wounds of combat veterans?
:wally
I don’t have any Purple Hearts, Thank the thousand little gods, but I am not the person in question here, Bob Dole is. Bob Dole was severely wounded and permanently crippled by his war wounds, I’d say that gives him plenty of credibility to comment on the war wounds of John Kerry, who received three Purple Hearts for wounds that never even put him in the hospital.
As for me, I’d be embarassed to receive a Purple Heart for a wound so slight that it didn’t even reuire hospitalization when all around me men were getting limbs blown off and worse. I might have to take it-but you can make damn sure I would never mention it again.