Which means jackshit about global warming.
It’s not nice to troll, Mother Nature.
FXMastermind The Troll has been told repeatedly that climate ≠ weather and regional ≠ global (with citations) but if FXMastermind The Troll were to show that he is aware of this, then FXMastermind The Troll wouldn’t be able to continue to troll this thread and that would never do for FXMastermind The Troll, for he is FXMastermind The Troll.
Yeah, and especially since Mother Nature trolling actually kills people, and fucks things up. I really think she just isn’t buying the official story. Didn’t anybody bother to tell her it’s like, the warmest year ever? And October was like, totally, the warmest October ever?
It’s funny when reality bitch slaps people making claims about shit, because most people will go with the reality outside their door, not some mythical number from a computer.
This is of course stupid, and we really should know by now to just believe any crazy ass claim the media regurgitates, because do we really want a bunch of people thinking for themselves? And not believing the Government, which always knows best?
I think not. So when you see some GISS map showing October is trending colder for the heartland, don’t you fucking believe it. It’s the global picture that matters, not some local problem, like the Mississippi freezing up earlier than ever before in known history. Reuters is probably some science denier website, and those people reporting their “facts” like Ice to close upper Mississippi from November 20, earliest on record, well they just haven’t realized it’s global warming.
Snowiest November: Grand Rapids breaks century-old record for snowfall?
Global warming.
141 year old cold weather record falls in Jacksonville ?
Global warming.
Global warming.
The only real question, is who is going to get the shit end of the stick this winter. Will it be Asia and Alaska?
Canada, the US, England and Asia?
Who is mother nature, I mean, global warming going to fuck up this year?
Just the western US? Whoops, I mean, part of the US, Europe and northern Asia?
How about giving the US a fucking break and let Europe and Asia get the global warming this year. That would be great.
Because last winter fucking sucked in the US, unless you are west coast or Florida. No, it really sucked. The map can’t even show how much it sucked.
This sort of winter would be fucking great. Come on global warming, you can do it.
tl;dr Looking at winter globally, somebody almost always gets fucked over by Mother Nature.
Now tell us why regional colder weather is inconsistent with global warming.
NOTHING is inconsistent with the Sacred (But Undefined) Theory of Global Warming.
Please give me three specific examples.
Also, please let me know what you mean by “global warming” – is it simply the claim that global surface temperatures have been increasing? Or something more?
Now you sound like a science denier. Record cold, early cold, even a colder trend for the entire NH, it’s now theorized it is due to global warming.
from weather.com
Washington Post
Neither source, and especially the researchers mentioned in the articles, are trolling you. This is actually a real thing.
“It may be the timeliest – and most troubling – idea in climate science.”
No fucking kidding, because most rational people will either swallow it whole, and claim victory, or respond with something more akin to “Are you fucking kidding me?”
I told you there would be no answer.
My own view is that if the upper troposphere in the tropics does not warm, that invalidates the theory.
If winters cool while summers continue to warm, that invalidates the theory.
If the oceans warm while the lower troposphere cools, that invalidates the theory.
There are multiple meanings, which can be confusing.
Global Warming is indeed used just to describe the warming of the troposphere, and the oceans. That’s it.
The theory of global warming (the CO2 theory) is more scientific, it proposes the small amount of heating from an increased greenhouse effect will lead to warming, that in fact CO2 levels are the reason for climate change, historically. A slight warming from solar insolation leads to CO2 being released from the oceans, which causes further warming, bringing the world out the glaciation phase of an ice age, and when that CO2 is used up, and insolation is reduced once again, cooling oceans and decreased CO2 causes the world to return to glacial periods. In essence, CO2 is the control, but not the driver of climate.
That has been further modified to say if for any reason CO2 levels increase, it will cause global warming, driven by CO2. But, and this is the really disputed part, that small increase in the greenhouse effect leads to more water vapor from warming oceans, which leads to more warming, which means a small increase in CO2 causes a huge global climate change, and very rapidly. This will be further amplified by melting ice, leading to even more warming. As feedbacks cascade, more and more warming happens, leading to greater feedbacks,
The key part of the theory is that any increase in temperature will lead to positive feedbacks.
The theory predicts that land will warm faster than ocean. That nightime lows will increase more than daytime highs. That warming will be most evident at high latitudes. That warming will be greatest in winter. That decreasing ice will raise sea levels. That the hydrological cycle will increase, as more and more water vapor is found in the atmosphere. The theory predicts the stratosphere will cool as the troposphere warms. Theory says the NH will warm fastest, as there is more land and less ocean. The theory predicts due to warmer winters, there will be more precipitation as rain, and less as snow. Except for Greenland, which will have more snow.
Hows that for a start?
I told you he wasn’t my friend.
Yes, but I am interested in learning which definition Fear Itself adheres to.
Of course I doubt that he has any clear definition or understanding of “global warming.” The important thing (in his mind) is that good people believe in “global warming” and bad people do not.
Good luck with that. He seems to be of the mindset that nothing can disprove global warming. You know, the group that actually thinks there is no problem with whatever the changes are, it’s all global warming.
See?
Yes, but as I pointed out, you can blame the idoiocy of blogs and the popular media, as well as idiots who jump ship at the first two decades of cooling winters, and start claiming global warming is CAUSING the NH to be colder.
That is probably true, but from a science perspective, his beliefs mean nothing.
That politics, and rhetoric and emotions and a great cause is now involved, in every last thing related to weather, just means it’s s shitstorm of ignorance and agendas, rather than a practical reality to be planned for.
Since we actually had almost the same discussion a year ago, you know it won’t fucking matter at all.
See? After a year, you can be sure Faer Itself has little interest in actually understanding anything.
The thing is, it doesn’t matter. All the hate, fear and idiocy of the stupid doesn’t change the facts. Not even a little. (for those who actually follow links, not much new in the following)
Here’s what a twenty year trend looked like, the cooling from 1952-1972
The polar view.
Parts of the NH continued to cool (NH DJF trend) until the eighties. But some started warming in 78, note Alaska, China and Europe.
This was the “Coming Ice Age” scare of the seventies, and with good reason.
Now the trend until 1992/2002 can be viewed as warming, either by picking a long period, or a very cold start point.
Certainly that fits with the CO2 theory, drastic arctic warming, and boreal winter warming.
Until you look at reality, which is why the paper mention two decades of a cooling trend. From 1992-2014 it’s evident. Even with a rise in global mean, the winter trend shows up. Mostly Siberia.
But when you look at the 2002-2013 trend, it become real obvious. That’s Siberia, China, Europe, large parts of the US, Alaska, even part of Africa. The 2002-2014 trend
Here’s the world view. Parts of India, Australia (which is summer there), and Antarctica (summer there).
that’s not something science can handwave away, at this point. Also, the reason that 2002 date is important, it’s when all the data sets show a flat global mean . No warming at all. Look at the annual trends.
That is the year averaged out. even that shows the trends in the areas showing winter cooling. Especially Alaska, which is seeing a huge cooling trend since 2004.
WHAAAT??? You may notice the trend was positive, but that was only because we left out the oceans. Adding them shows a global cooling trend of -.02C
Whoah. What the fuck? GISS shows cooling? How the fuck can this be? Everybody know we are warming!
I will show you. It’s a trick.
Look at THIS MOTHERFUCKING GLOBAL WARMING!
Scary shit right? Look at the GODDAMN WINTERS!!!
Haha I crack myself up.
You see? By not knowing, and certainly not stating anything about global warming theory, it’s possible to claim anything supports global warming. Everything is global warming.
Which means bitching about a cold day in August, or a record cold winter, is actually a valid complaint, since global warming caused it.
If the last decade was one of warm mild winters, with little snow, that would also be global warming. It’s the perfect belief system. No facts can penetrate such faith.
As to all them colorful GISS maps, there is added irony that while GISS over estimates recent warming, making a recent anomaly year look warmer, while cooling the past, using their trends actually shows valid data, since the changes made are relative for decade trends.
In essence, sing GISS data to show trends works relatively well.=, even when comparing two years, like 1977 and 2014 shows a bias, showing the last two decades as trends is close enough to make a point. Their arctic data is very sketchy, but even so, looking at something like a hundred year trend for the CONUS is more accurate than NOAA/NCDC data, which has been adjusted so much it is almost worthless for some things.
For example, the terribly biased 2013 “paper” by climatecentral, trying to sell the idea that CONUS winters are warming faster than any other season, and that the warming has increased in the last two decades, the changes the NCDC made since they published makes all of their findings wrong. When the published that it at least matched the GISS data, now the NCDC dat is at odds with GISS.
No, nobody in charge really fucking cares about this. Hell, they don’t even know.
So, wait… There’s global warming!?
It’s global warming, all the way down.
Popper is spinning in his grave.
It’s going to get warmer. In 50 years if it’s not, you get to do the neener dance.
In the meantime, by all means keep citing weather as examples of why climate isn’t changing.
It’s hilarious.
I’ll just leave this here.
Why do we still indulge this moron?
In 30 years, there may be no glaciers in Glacier National Park
Science gets all up in your grill.
We can only hope, that science will get through the massive ignorance and belief systems of the seemingly insane warmers. Glacier National Park is well studied, and has really good records, so it’s a perfect example of how global warmers are simply wrong.
http://nrmsc.usgs.gov/research/climate_glaciers.htm
The glaciers there are key evidence of several things, but most importantly the effects of the LIA, something idiots want to tell you wasn’t that big a deal. Or was limited to Europe, or something. It’s hard to tell, since they flip flop around about it.
And there you have it. Evidence that the beautiful massive glaciers that the park was named after, were a recent thing, and due to climate change. To be specific, the well documented LIA, which is exactly why the glaciers were so fucking huge. And not just there of course. It was worldwide.
In essence, they grew so much, they wiped out all previous evidence. The glaciers, recent in origin, were unusual, in perspective of the entire Holocene. The evidence shows there were no previous periods of greater extent, in the last 7000 years, at least.
So we see clear evidence that the shrinking is the result of large scale natural changes in climate. Which we know happens, we know climate changes, especially in areas like Western Montana.
But the warmist wants you to think all the changes are directly from recent CO2 changes, caused solely by mankind. Rather than a more realistic view that we have been in a warming period since the LIA, and most of the changes are natural, and not unusual.
Certainly recent effects can be blamed on mankind, but this raises the obvious question, one that has been discussed in this topic for some time now. And it illustrates exactly what Brazil (and others) find objectionable, when it comes to global warming. The alarmists wants to have it both ways. To claim that anything that happens has to be both our fault, as well as due to global warming. That is not science.
There is zero doubt that climate changes, and we have good evidence for the Glacier National Park, showing past changes. The NCDC data shows a pretty good picture of that area.
The scientific minded can look at the winter and summer and seasonal changes, with a few click of the mouse. This will learn you more, in a matter of minutes, than an alarmist blog will teach you in a year.
tl;dr Somebody posted a link about Glacier national Park. I used scientific information from the Northern Rocky Mountain Science Center (NOROCK) and the NCDC to try and educate about the matter. Scientific minds enjoyed it, idiots were annoyed, or just ignored it.
That’s pretty harsh. User:John_Stamos’_Left_Ear is just trying to make people realize that taking a small area of the planet, which is seeing changes, and trying to say it means something about global warming, is stupid.
That somebody posted a link to a National park, and thinks it means something about global warming, just shows how hard it is to get this concept across. People actually think natural cycles which effect glaciers, means something about global warming. Some people actually believe that melting glaciers, and the changes that cause this, says something about global warming.
So go easy on John_Stamos’_Left_Ear, it just wants you to realize how stupid that is.
If you read that link, you will see why he is trying to educate people.