Here’s a better data set for you, color coded and straight from manatee’s snout.
Perhaps you can return the favor and link us to this “overall global data” you speak so fondly about.
It’s been done. Doesn’t matter, you guys are just trolling…
A main reason I rarely try to be serious on internet is illustrated by this latest idiocy response, to a well known problem with using NWS records to “do climate science”. The set up is basic science. The idiot fuckhead can’t even understand what is on the page.
And if we were looking at a single station with long term quality records, that would be true. Maybe. But when using a mixed record, like the one I linked to for Jacksonville. it’s almost useless.
This is why I find it hilarious, the reaction from idiots, who actually think they are smarter than most. Since they “already know everything”, they can’t actually see what is in front of them. The simple point there, that you can’t compare modern records from an airport out of town, with the old records from the heart of a city. In the case of Jacksonville, it’s actually easy to show this. The “record” cold reading for September 14, 2015 and September 13, 2015 are from the International Airport. Comparing them to the old records, which came from a station next to the river downtown, is apples and oranges. It doesn’t work. It’s why I said
It’s almost exactly the same problem with the OP of this thread, which uses a reading from an airport to compare with the old records from downtown Atlanta. Large modern airfields far from the city almost always show lower nighttime readings (Tmin) than the old locations that were downtown. Which of course was the next point.
The resident fuckheads can’t understand this, because they aren’t interested in a discussion, or learning anything, be it here or in a GD topic, it’s all about something else. Which is why mockery and humor look like the better option, because they shit all over science and reason.
You have as much chance of a reasonable discussion with a fuckhead alarmists, as you do with a fundamentalist religious fruitbat.
But back to the science.
Because data is beautiful, and the internet more amazing than we can even imagine, you don’t have to take my word for any of this, and I wouldn’t. If you were just claiming shit, and never had any evidence, I will ignore you.
In the case of this “record low” for Jacksonville, here is the international airport reading. 60 °F - from here
The naval base next to the river- 70 °F that’s 10 degrees warmer for the Tmin
The two locations are 18 miles part. What do you think? Will Atlanta show the same effect? Is the NWS at the International Airport biased cold or hot? Can we compare a record there to one set a hundred years ago?
That is an essential question, because the surface station data is the main source of knowing if climate has changed or not, for any location people actually live near.
So there you have reasonable evidence to know that the “record cold” from Jacksonville is not meaningful, anymore than a record high would be, using the cobbled together record from the area. The old “record cold” readings were not from a location far from the river, with the sensor located in the middle of a huge clearing.
Same thing for the “record highs”, which is why using them to claim shit about climate change may be a lot of hot air. It’s why climate records are important, and why the USCRN was set up. Using the quality data from the new climate network, we can have confidence in the measurements. The USRCRN is even better, and is already allowing a real understanding of what is actually happening with temperatures.
It’s a real dickhead move to grab someone’s quote from a year and a half ago and present it without context in the middle of a discussion. I suppose deceitfulness is Fuxsie’s m.o. though, so why be surprised?
I like how he responds to criticisms about cherry picking by providing an analysis of Jacksonville. This guy is an idiot.
Also stop quoting yourself. You don’t go full asshole, nobody likes full asshole FX.
Happy Ball quotes himself
Yog complains about … oh wait.
You just claimed Fun Ball went full asshole. Priceless.
Nah, anyone who gives a rats ass can follow the link to see all of your priceless prose. The dickhead moves are pretty much the fuckheads territory here. Deal with it.
If you would do even the slightest checking, you would see that the period you choose for the trend doesn’t work when somebody else clicks on your link. It’s a problem with the software.
Your link uses “firsttrendyear=1984&lasttrendyear=2014”, but that isn’t what somebody else will get when clicking it. Try opening it in another browser, since your settings can influence your own link. It might look like it works on your end, but it doesn’t for anyone else. It’s why I tell people they have to set the trend. It’s also why I don’t try and link to graphs with trends using that source.
A link with a trend selected always comes up as the trend for the entire period.
Oh, I don’t have a problem going full asshole when it comes to you. Seriously. And proudly. Let me demonstrate:
Martin Short called. He wants his shtick back.
And conveniently ignore the quotes from a year and two years ago which would completely obliterate his argument!
And yet, somehow you can’t be bothered to actually show any evidence for your claim. Not that anybody expects a fuckhead to use evidence. If you used evidence, you wouldn’t actually be a fuckhead!
And really looks to disprove other people’s theories. Just think about how much people want everything I type out to be “wrong”. How much they care, how much effort they put forth. That’s what a scientist feels when he sees another scientist putting forth a bad theory.
The problem the fuckhead alarmist faces, is they can’t understand why anyone would be critical of them, which is fucking hilarious. It’s like going into the ring and then complaining the other guy wants to fight. “How can this be? The fights over. Everybody knows it. Why is he still punching me in the face?”
You know how stupid it looks when somebody starts a graph or a trend, so it shows something that is just a little tiny bit of info? To try and sway you? (it’s not really cherry picking, that has another meaning)
But the point is, you know how that makes you feel? That’s how a scientist feels when he sees somebody using a short time period, or a hand picked area, event or whatever, to try and convince others. Instead of putting things in perspective. Instead of showing all the data, discussing the problems with the data, why he adjusted it a certain way, why the data is no good, or whatever it is.
Like the OP of the topic. It seems sort of stupid to focus on a “hundred year record broken”, and roll it into some global warming claim. Just like the Jacksonville “record cold” story. If you don’t present all the facts, it isn’t science, nor is it honest. Once you look at the links, it tells a different story.
If you show the international airport reading. 60 °F - from here
Then note the low from the naval base next to the river was ten degrees warmer, 70 °F , and explain the airport readings can’t be compared to the old weather station downtown, then it has a different meaning.
So while the NWS will report
It might not actually mean anything. Especially when the readings from the city aren’t actually record lows at all.
It’s why climate data matters, more than a weather record. If we look at the climate data, which is pretty easy to find these days, then we might say something about the climate change for northern Florida. (which of course will still mean nothing, because the global temperature is all that matters, haha you dumb ass fuckhead)
Even so, the climate data is what matters. To climate.
The interested person can actually click a few buttons and see the problems with temperature readings, using the NWS as a source. KJAX shows a high of 87 and a low of 60, while a smaller airport east of the city (much closer to the ocean), KCRG shows a high of 84 and a low of 64. The naval field showed 70 for the low.
It’s a real problem for understanding what changes are occurring.
It’s neo-Platonism, you see: Jacksonville is the “ikon” of the whole of the world, a representation in perfect. Jacksonville is the earth’s soul, the omphalos of all that is all. Stick a pin in Jacksonville, and every city on the face of the planet says “Ow.”
Stick a pin in FXMastermind, and 20 million dung-beetles say “Ow.”
It’s science, man.
How do you figure? You’ve got your own personal set of data? Your great-Aunt Tilly has a thermometer in her kitchen, and you trust that? (Memo: tell Tilly to pull the thermometer out of her asshole; it’s interfering with your primary source of data.)
You actually are sort of a moron, or just a troll. In effect, it makes no difference.
It’s like a Monty Python skit.
(scientist explains long reasoning with data to make a point)
Trinopus - “How do you figure?”
Science - It’s all right there in front of you.
Trinopus - “No it’s not!”
repeat as long as you are willing to respond to a troll moron
No, it’s not …
What Trin and the other idiots can’t grasp, is that the argument, reasons, sources and data are now all in full force debunking using a record cold reading, as meaning much for climate change, global warming, or no global warming.
Got that? Is that simple enough to grasp. Jacksonville is only involved because it has stories about “record cold”.
Here’s another example. Last Nov 20 2014, the news (and the NWS bulletin they got it from) was Thursday morning not only broke an “ancient” record from 1873, but we also dropped to the second coldest temperature ever recorded in the month of November in Jacksonville.
Here’s another one.
Just like the September cold records, anyone can check the actual data. I provided the links.
KJAX, the international airport, far from the river, record cold 24 degrees
But there was no KJAX in 1954 when the previous record was set.
And KCRG recorded 28, and KNIP shows 32 for the Tmin
KNIP is closer to where the 1954 record would have been recorded.
So International airport shows record cold, but the old location, where the actual goddamn record is from, shows 32 degrees, 8 degrees warmer.
So is it an actual cold record? Not a fucking chance in the real world. They are comparing apples and oranges.
The data from KJAX is only valuable since 1970, when the station started up there. You can compare the data to itself there, but you can’t fucking compare it to a station from the fifties that was right on the river downtown.
Fucking morons at the NWS
And you just know somewhere, there is somebody beating the drum, claiming these record cold readings mean global warming is a scam and everybody is in on some giant conspiracy, or something. It’s not that simple, it’s never that simple.
But you try and explain the change to ASOS at airfields, and why the NWS records are often shit, they start accusing you of being a global warmer.
And for the record, both the winter trend, and the annual trend for the Jacksonville areas, as well as the southeastern US, shows no global warming since 1990, and a definite trend of colder winters.
But that doesn’t make those “record cold” records meaningful, because of the problems outlined above. With links to the sources.
Climate is one thing.
Weather and weather records is not climate.
For the Jacksonville area.
Global, right? Big old place, Jacksonville must be, to cover the whole globe.
And FX calls me rude names? Guy can’t even read a fucking map.
From a Forbes article Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat. The media could feed the Alarmists dog shit and they’d say it tasted great. Fuck the ice, fuck all the ice …
I’m shocked you’re still trotting out that op-ed piece from the Heartland Institute (and trying to disguise it as a Forbes article to give it the veneer of respectability). Nah, I’m kidding. I’m not shocked at all. His pile of dung fits nicely with the cherry picking from you and the other troll in this thread.
Those interested in the science can read a couple other views below and decide for themselves. The cherry pickers can return to Jacksonville and records that somehow aren’t really records.