Can we see your evidence for the claim that “The vast, vast majority of scientists all agree that there is a danger.”
Or alternatively, will you admit that you made this up out of whole cloth, and that there is no danger that there is no danger that the vast, vast majority of scientists all agree.
No, I didn’t think so. Evidence and honesty aren’t high on the alarmist priority list.
It’s OK to lie so long as you save [del]souls[/del] the planet.
Take a deep breath, Blake. No one is trying to hurt you.
So you agree that the world is warming due to our actions, Blake? Yes?
O, I’ve asked you three times for evidence for your absurd claim that “The vast, vast majority of scientists all agree that there is a danger.”
You are unable to provide such evidence, and unwilling to admit that you made it up.
Thank you once again for proving so very clearly the point that has been made here repeatedly" AGW alarmism is a religious hysteria based upon manufacturing “science”, and is blatantly dishonest.
My thanks for being such a sterling example of precisely what this thread is decrying.
I have bookmarked this thread for future debates when I need a perfect example of this behaviour. I have no further use for you. The others may have.
Blake, you have a lot invested in this. I know.
So you agree that the world is warming due to our actions, Blake? Yes?
This topic has really delivered.
With the latest dangerous early winter storm hammering the US and Canada, the irony is strong once more.
Winter storm Cleon looks to be setting even more records for cold and snow. There was a time when the ignorant could be excused for frothing at the mouth over thinking such a statement means “it’c cold so there is no global warming”. Now you can simply claim it’s BECAUSE of global warming.
Global Warming, like God, can do anything. No evidence required.
OK, so the Sothern Ocean is freezing again. What is the “explanation” now? Simple-the ocean now is absorbing heat now (which it didn’t do previously). Frankly, the AGW “model” has more outs than a legal contract. We are supposed to believe that :
-the 15 year “pause” in warming (while CO2 output increased) is part of overall warming
-the increase in sea ice (whilst CO2 levels increased) is actually caused by warming
-colder winters in the temperate zones is actually a sign of overall warming
Like I said, AGW is the “everything” theory-it explains everything!
We cannot allow all of that “research” (by the University of East Anglia) to go to waste-it has to mean something!
I’m more of the mind that it’s ignorance rather than pure malice. Or maybe a combination of irrational fear clouding the science.
Freeman Dyson isn’t some nobody, or a fool, and he points out the failings pretty well. Especially the tendency to attack and act like a jackass when your beliefs are questioned, and alarmists are asked for data.
But a sharp focus on the winter climate is something the global warmers really don’t like. Unlike most other predictions based on CO2 increase, it’s pretty hard to wiggle out of temperature data and snowfall levels, as well as the practical reality of people suffering in unusual cold and snow tend to really notice these things.
The irony is that it very well may actually be MANKIND FUCKING UP THE ARCTIC ICE, by creating so much soot (black carbon) and generally polluting the living fuck out of the arctic. (CO2 caused warming does not explain the drastic summer ice loss, not even close)
Warmists also like to avoid talking about black carbon, ozone, NO2, as well as deforestation, urban heat and contrails. The insanity of focusing on only CO2 borders on obsession.
Ah. Irony.
You know in your heart you are right, and all your enemies are wrong.
What dream world do you live in? Seriously, you type some bullshit like that, and you actually believe your own bullshit.
Priceless.
Fucking priceless.
…ghod I love this thread so much.
It’s like watching Calvinball.
I don’t believe my own bullshit. I believe the vast majority of climate scientists.
But they are warmists! Aren’t you paying attention? Warmists, I tells ya!
Hey, why not warm mongers? Kinda like recycling.
I actually used that years ago, but name calling is so puerile.
But the vast majority of scientists (according to some) are saying we are in grave danger. So if you believe that, then you believe people ARE trying to hurt him. By using fossil fuels. They are killing the planet.
See?
If it were simply ignorance, you would not expect warmists to lash out or hide from facts when their positions are challenged.
I think it’s subconscious status-seeking. If you jump into a discussion on global warming and repeat some warmist platitude, it enhances your status and credibility in certain circles.
The other problem is that most warmists have a lot invested emotionally in their position, such as it is. So it’s psychologically difficult for them to back down. It’s been observed that adherents to doomsday cults generally maintain their fervor even if the predicted day of the end of the world comes and goes without incident. Such people generally “reinterpret and revise the details of a prediction so that it fits whatever facts are on the ground.”
Of course warmists are basically no different, except that unlike members of fringe cults they are usually smart enough to keep their predictions vague.
I would say there are different groups, even individuals involved, it’s not some unity where everyone is the same. The cult around the SS blog and secret forums is not the same as NOAA or the NCDC crowd at all. Same for Al Gore as opposed to Trenberth or Jennifer Francis, there are a lot of different mindsets, and secretly they disagree, a lot.
There is everything from the CT believers to those who rationally accept tyhere is a lot of politics involved, it’s very complicated. Not simplistic.
Again, certainly people who post online may seem all like that, but looking at the larger picture, it’s not simple hive mind, no matter how much it may seem that way.
It doesn’t matter that much how many ‘scientists’ agree or believe something, except for maybe funding purposes and getting published. I would agree, based on logic and reason, that a lot of ‘scientists’ think there is danger, because that is what the majority of press and publications constantly harp on, and what hard working person has time to look into any of it?
But when you see heavy hitters openly expressing skepticism and questioning the more rabid nonsense spewing forth from the alarmists crowd, it should give a pause to the headlong dash into panic and bemoaning the fate of the world.
How many committed warmists have come out and said something along the following lines:
“The path of global surface temperatures over the last 10 years has been somewhat colder than expected and this undermines my confidence in my position”?
It’s probably happened, but I think it’s pretty unusual, particularly among the more hard-core types.
That may be true, but I can’t know it. It’s impossible to know such a thing, even if some large study was done and it showed a percentage of subjects did feel that way, it doesn’t mean everyone does. Yes, preaching to the converted might feel good, seemingly raise your status, but it also places you in the crosshairs of the skeptics, and like poor Gigogalloper, when you run off unable to muster a cogent defense of your foggy claims, it very well may create tensions and a loss of presumed status. Who the fuck knows?
I don’t want to fall into the emotional and illogical trap of making wild claims that can’t be backed up with evidence. It’s like name calling, it ends up making me look like a nut, not the the target of the juvenile taunts.