I'm thinking about trying out Scientology. What's your experience with the org?

They are unecessary.

Something tells me you haven’t read the books I mentioned.

Just a hunch.

VCO3 People are blowing things way out of proportion. Yes Scientology is a cult, no they don’t dominate your whole life, if you fall off the radar they won’t send out hit squads to find you. William S Burroughs used to go to meetings to check them out on a lark.

If you want Nerf Scientology go check out the Landmark Forum. It’s a splinter group that still wants you to pay but is a bit less cultish.

If he is truly your friend, you should be trying to recruit him out of that organization.

And a half-correct one. Or a three-quarter correct one. I mean, I forced myself to finished Cosmic Trigger, hoping it would stop being new-agey BS, but I stopped paying much attention awfully early on. It was a very stupid book, but it was cheaper than joining Scientology.

Burroughs was a member back in the fifties and sixties, IIRC. Things has changed.

I don’t see what is particularly new agey about it.

What do you think of General Semantics?

It’s not worth it. If you want to dabble in a funny celeb cult, try Kabbalah. They will call you up and send you info, but usually stop when you say you don’t have the money to pay for any more workshops or face/palm readings. Scientologists will tell you to borrow money or sell your possessions.
And call.
And show up at your house.
And your work.
I’d say give false info, but if your friend’s a member this won’t work (obvs).

Sounds like Pat Robertson.

Though Kabbalah isn’t an ‘organization’.

tell your local $cientologist auditor: “gee,I can’t pay for auditing at this time-I have no money and i’m $120,000 in debt. Can i pay you back later, after I’ve become a “clear”? Then I’ll be making all kinds of money”.
Or: I just want enough auditing to remove my body thetans-they are keeping me up all nigh, talking to me"
-or:
“i’d really love to get audited now, but I’m afraid that my parole officer won’t let me” (you explain that you are on parole for manslaughter).

Not nearly as well, I suspect, as going in, taking their tests, then giving as your name and address those of somebody you really, really hate.

Yes, it is.

Now, the original Qabbalah was simply one mystic tradition within Judaism, but recently the name has been hijacked by a group that is very much an “organization” that (like Landmark, or EST, or any number of groups descending the scale to Scientology) is quite happy to take your money to improve your life while urging you to tell your friends about them. (You get discounts if you bring more friends.)

Yea, I know I’ve been there, I’ve drank their Kabbalah Water. It’s called the Kabbalah Centre. The organization teaches a version of Kabbalah. Kabbalah has a longer occult tradition not just the Judaic version and the Kabbalah Centre version.

The correct spelling of Qabbalah isn’t with a Q it isבלה. :cool:

So I reiterate that no single organization may lay claim to it. I study Kabbalah for free, my friend gave me a copy of the Sefer Yetzirah translated by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, that I got a seal of approval on from a Rabbi that used to be one of my clients. :wink: No amount of money I could run out of could ever stop me from studying it now.

It made LOUSY Science Fiction. But I find most philosophy inane. Your mileage, of course, WILL vary.

Fairy nuff.

According to the site you linked,

The Hebrew letter ק is often rendered as Q in English to differentiate it from כ.

I know, I was making a joke on what seemed to me to be an implication that the Kabbalah Centre had a trademark on the K spelling and that the real Judaic tradition was spelled with a Q.

Y’know, considering the rumors about Cruise and Travolta, it shouldn’t be too hard to sic Fred Phelps on them. Maybe we’ll see Mutually Assured Destruction without the need for a nuclear winter.

Say goodbye to your Thetans.

That is not a reiteration; it is a new claim.

However, as long as the readers of this thread now realize that you are blowing smoke, once again, I am not going to continue this hijack.

Actually, the Phelps Paradox is part of the Hubbard/Scientology arsenal… I’m sure there is a word for it, but the neurolinguistics aren’t clear to me. It is best described as irony in a prescribed truth- the funeral molestations are like auditing.