So... just what DOES Scientology teach?

The thing that has always irritated me about Scientology (apart from the fact that I’m naturally skeptical of anything that becomes fashionable in Hollywood circles) is this:

If someone wanted to know the basic tenets of the Catholic Church, any neighborhood priest would be happy to explain them to you. Oh sure, there are complicated things (e.g. transubstantiation) that he couldn’t explain in a quick chat, but I’d guess he could and WOULD explain the basics to you in 10 minutes. And even if you didn’t want to talk to a priest, a quick look at any Encyclopedia would tell you most of what you wanted to know about the Catholic Church.

I could say the same for MOST religions, actually. Any rabbi would be happy to tell me the basic tenets of Judaism, most Moslems would be happy to tell me their beliefs, as would most Hindus, Buddhists, even Wiccans and atheists. And, again, if I didn’t want to listen to a flesh-and-blood person, I could easily find out the essentials of those religions in a decent encyclopedia.

My question is: why aren’t the tenets of Scientology as widely available? Why aren’t Scientologists as forthcoming about what they believe? And can anyone spell out some of the basic beliefs of Scientology?

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Sorry, I forgot to give you a link.

$cientology tenets: You pay first, go broke, then come to a deeper understanding of what $cientology is about. But if you still don’t understand, you didn’t pay enough.
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That explains it all. It also explains all other large religions. (I got it from the link above.)

For a rundown on the teachings of Scientology, go here:

http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/xemuleaf.htm

It gives the basic teachings, ideas people pay out the nose to get, or worse.

Is this stuff true? I never knew anything about scientology other than the name, so I was curious… I just read the Xemu link, and that’s some of the strangest drivel I’ve ever read. To me, it almost seems as if L. Ron was creating a joke and it stuck…

My question is this… obviously, they can’t give a recruit that Xemu story… so how do they recruit someone? Isn’t John Travolta (and some other visible Hollywood elite) a member of this “church”? He hardly seems like someone with low self-esteem or someone who could be brainwashed.

I just don’t get this at all.

I had some in-laws that got into this fairly deep. (We’re talking six figures, kid’s inheritance, type of deal.)

They usually go after people who are intelligent and professional (have money), but who are outside the mainstream in some way. Chiropractors are a big group for the ElRons, because of their continual battles with mainstream medicine. That’s what my ex-bro-in-law is.

I’m no expert, but from what I’ve read, it usually starts with a psychological test, which determines whether Scientology could be of help to you. Surprise, surprise! It always can be. (My guess is that the test is completely irrelevant, or gauges if you would be particularly susceptible.)

Scientology teaches that psychiatry is a terrible evil, and that their way of dealing with past problems is much better. It involves a little contraption they’ve invented called an e-meter, literally not much more than two cans connected by some string, with some additional fancy bells and whistles.

From what I gather, the person administering the e-meter on someone will have the recipient recount some traumatic past event. The reader will then say that there is some bad negative charge associated with the event, and they will keep going over it and over it, having the recipient recount it, until all of the negative charge is gone. (My terminology may be off here.)

Once freed from all of the ghosts of your “reactive mind,” a person is better able to live and be happy in their “active mind,” and they are deemed to be a “clear.” (Wouldn’t you think wanting to become something called “a clear” would scare people away, in and of itself? It brings to mind “The Stepford Wives.”)

Some legitimate psychological practices are actually similar to this e-meter process. Of course going over and over a traumatic event is going to lessen how upset it makes someone. The difference, however, is that while legitimate psychotherapy replaces the flushed-away trauma with skills that will help a person continue to cope, Scientology replaces it with junk that lures a person further and further into their web.

They set families against families, even spouses against spouses, if they don’t support or in any way question Scientology. They have pat answers for any criticism of Scientology that discourages independent thought. To a Scientologist, if you are not a fellow Scientologist, or at the VERY least neutral on it, you are the enemy, plain and simple.

The secrets of the ‘religion’ are revealed like layers of an onion, as a member is sucked deeper and deeper in, (and their wallet is sucked dryer and dryer). The highest levels of understanding (called “operating levels”) are almost certainly out of the reach of most. But these brainwashed little lab rats so desperately want to keep going with it, they will do almost anything to get more money to feed the ‘church.’

The fact that the ‘truths’ of Scientology at its highest levels are laughably ridiculous (check out some of the aforementioned web sites) is irrelevant, because by the time a person gets to the level where this crap is revealed, they’re pretty much cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs, anyway.

Scientology is extremely insidious. They go after their attackers pretty strenuously. They can make lives very miserable. And because of freedom of religion, it’s very hard to help a loved one who has been sucked into this.

That is interesting. The only person I know that is a Scientologist is my chiropractor.

Oen thing to keep in mind: the “e-meter” actually sort of works. The monitor randomly drifts over words and topics, checking the gauge to find what topics/themes cause a galvanic skin reaction. Procedure is somewhat similar to random word association the Fruedian shaman sometimes uses (do NOT get me started!)

Say your being monitored, the monitor says “sled”. You think about “Rosebud”, your skin tips off the e-meter, the monitor says "Lets talk more about “sled” Wonder! The machine can read your mind! You do talk about “Rosebud”, catharsis, and you feel better! Geez, this stuff really works! If I press the lever again, I’ll feel even better!

Why do big Hollywood stars get sucked into this? One, they have oodles of cash. Two, they have sh*t for brains.

I’d like to see how every large religion both alive and dead is simply a money making scheme, lumping every religion together with Scientology shows your prejudice and ignorance when it comes to ethical traditional religions.

astorian wrote in the OP:

And no one has really answered it. However, astorian came very close to the answer in the OP. If, you want to know about Catholicism, ask a Catholic. If you want to know about Judaism, ask a Jew. If you want to know about Scientology, ask the Straight Dope Message Board. Can anyone see where astorian diverged from the established pattern here?

I asked a Scientologist about Scientology before. The told me a bunch of stuff about engrams and the reactive mind, and how auditing could clear my reactive mind of engrams, and thus allow my analytical mind to operate more freely. Sounded like BS to me at the time. Still does. However, I doesn’t sound any more like BS than, “There’s an invisble man who lives in the sky who made everything.” I don’t find anything more wrong with Scientology than I do with any other religion.

No argument here.

Also, the church tends to cater to its Hollywood elite. The centers for Scientology in L.A. are quite elaborate. It’s a safe bet that John Travolta, Kelly Preston, Kirstie Alley and others are treated a little more favorably by the ElRons than your average citizen.

Another theory as to why they get sucked in – through this e-meter process, you’re telling these people your deepest, most traumatic secrets. This is often stuff you wouldn’t want generally disseminated in public, particularly if you are a big star, right?

Some who’ve left the ‘church’ claim all that stuff is filed away against people, to be dug out and leaked if they ever become an enemy of Scientology.

On my movie website (address in sig), I’ve got a feature on the bottom of each movie review where you can vote on how much you liked it. American Beauty got lots of positive votes, Mission to Mars not so many.

But Battlefield Earth, now… My review of it is an absolute slam; the film’s like a big pig on Quaaludes, and I pulled no punches in my review. But here it is a couple of weeks later, and I’ve got almost 1500 positive votes for the film. Compare that to most other movies, where I’m lucky if I have 50 or 100 votes total, positive or not.

So somebody, somewhere, has to be bombarding my site with positive votes for the film. Either there’s one guy who has set up a script to automatically submit votes, evading the cookie that prevents multiple votes from single users, or they’re circulating a chain e-mail for everybody on the list to come and vote once. Or both.

Just my own interesting personal experience. The intended lesson: Don’t piss off the Pyramid People…

On my movie website (address in sig), I’ve got a feature on the bottom of each movie review where you can vote on how much you liked it. American Beauty got lots of positive votes, Mission to Mars not so many.

But Battlefield Earth, now… My review of it is an absolute slam; the film’s like a big pig on Quaaludes, and I pulled no punches in my review. But here it is a couple of weeks later, and I’ve got almost 1500 positive votes for the film. Compare that to most other movies, where I’m lucky if I have 50 or 100 votes total, positive or not.

So somebody, somewhere, has to be bombarding my site with positive votes for the film. Either there’s one guy who has set up a script to automatically submit votes, evading the cookie that prevents multiple votes from single users, or they’re circulating a chain e-mail for everybody on the list to come and vote once. Or both.

Just my own interesting personal experience. The intended lesson: Don’t piss off the Pyramid People…

Sorry for the double post. (Grrrr… Ruins my “more than a year” perfect record…)

If you wish to believe that 75 million years ago space aliens brought all the trillions of humans to Earth, stacked them around volcanos and exploded hydrogen bombs to kill them all, then captured their immortal souls to implant confusing messages in the souls then released them to attach to the few remaining living human bodies in order to trouble the living people and their decendants forever…

…that is your business. But the “Church” of $cientology is not a religion. It is a cult. It’s purpose is to make money off its members no matter what the human cost. There are people who believe in this whom are not members of the official “Church”. I have no problem with their belief. I believe it is silly, but they are welcome to it. It is the practices of the “Church” that I was ridiculing. If you follow the link that I provided to the Operation Clambake Website you can find stories of insanity and death.

This organization is hiding behind the freedom of religion and does NOT deserve your well intentioned defense.

Since the tone of this post is deadly earnest I will refrain from a William Randolf Hearst & “Rosebud” joke.

Getting just a tad off-topic, but I thought the distribution of votes for this movie on IMDB was interesting and possibly even related. The number of people who rated it a 10 and the number of people who rated it a 1 seem a little out of proportion. Sort of the opposite of a bell curve. Almost as if IMDB is seeing the effects of organized campaigns to both boost the film and tear it down. Especially tear it down.

Everyday I drive by a “Church of $cientology” on my way to work, it has a big sign in the window that say “NOW HIRING” The first time I saw that I laughed out loud. It just strikes me as very odd.

2sense wrote:

The point of my earlier post was that if you want to know the basic tenets of Scientology, ask a Scientologist. The basic tenets, which are very silly to me, are not as silly as space aliens came to Earth 75 million years ago… The basic tenets include a bunch of psuedoscientific stuff about the reactive mind and the analytical mind.

As for scientology being a cult, Merriam Webster says:

I would say most, if not all, religions fall under the scope of definition 2.

As for stories of insanity and death, I can find a lot more insanity and death in other religions than I can find in Scientology. The other religions, for the most part, have a big head start. Scientology may catch up. Time will tell. However, until Scientology burns people at the stake for not liking Battlefield Earth, a lot of other religions have quite an edge in the insanity and death department.

Operation Clambake is written by a someone who says in the site’s FAQ that the site is biased. It should not be your only source of information on Scientology.

If you want to know about Scientology, ask a Scientologist. They are usually pretty happy to talk you. They are also usually hard to get to shut the hell up when you’ve gotten the information you wanted. However, they are not evil brainwashers after all your money. At least that was my experience, maybe I just didn’t fit the profile.