Just because you say so.
Just because you say so.
And without a government what’s stopping them from doing these things themselves?
I’m sure many of the posters here have, like myself, gone through a libertarian phase at some point, probably when very young. I once would have agreed with basically everything you’re saying. And I see now that it’s wrong. Libertarianism is a flawed belief system based on many false assumptions and wishful thinking. It’s a useful thought experiment but can’t work in the real world.
You’re like some evangelical christian who’s determined to convert a neighbor. You’re convinced that the only possible reason that they don’t share your beliefs is that they just haven’t been taught them properly. That all the answers are right there, plain as day, if they’d just open their eyes and look. But that’s not the case. Your beliefs are based on assumptions that others don’t share.
Who are “they”? And what’s stopping them from imprisioning whomever they feel like? This is just another instance of “in a libertarian society nothing bad could ever happen because we’ll all be freeeeeeeee!!!”
What if you don’t have the money to bring a lawsuit? What if the corporation has better lawyers? What if they bribe the judge or jury? And what about the people who got sick? Money can’t ring back a dead person.
I can and will deny that politicians acquiesce to lazy people. There is no “lazy lobby”. The claim is ridiculous.
No you all are depending on a benevolent government. I’m saying government is easily corrupted so we should only give it power when absolutely necessary.
All libertarians can do is fight the government when they see excesses. Strict adherence to the Constitution would be a good way to start.
The government should not be involved with housing at all. They should not be involved with energy subsidies at all. They should not make entangling military
alliances at all. The TSA should not be conducting unwarranted searches at the airport and on our highways. They should not establish a central bank. Judicial review is unconstitutional and state nullification should be utilized. They should not give privilege to the alcohol industry while banning other controlled substances. They should not be involved in any way with education.
So anyone who’s not libertarian believes “freedom needs to be tightly constrained in every aspect of people’s lives”? Can you quote some prominent thinkers who’ve said that? Because I’m pretty sure most people are in favor of freedom.
I wouldn’t want to live there, but I’d love to see this movie.
If you could use the Inception machine on Ron Paul, I think that world would be where you’d end up.
I think that is pretty much what is portayed in The Stand, when the Walkin’ Dude took over Las Vegas. That’s pretty much how I envision Libertopia.
M-O-O-N, that spells Libertarianism!
And for perceived billions of years, because if his ideology is at least 10 or 20 levels removed from reality, imagine what his dreams are like.
I cannot continue with this conversation as long as all of you continue to say libertarians want no government. It is a complete falsehood.
I’m sure many of the posters here have, like myself, gone through a libertarian phase at some point, probably when very young. I once would have agreed with basically everything you’re saying. And I see now that it’s wrong. Libertarianism is a flawed belief system based on many false assumptions and wishful thinking. It’s a useful thought experiment but can’t work in the real world.
You’re like some evangelical christian who’s determined to convert a neighbor. You’re
convinced that the only possible reason that they don’t share your beliefs is that they just haven’t been taught them properly. That all the answers are right there, plain as day, if they’d just open their eyes and look. But that’s not the case. Your beliefs are based on assumptions that others don’t share.
You don’t share the assumption that our government is corruptible? You don’t share the assumption that it has been and always will be? You don’t share the assumption that government gives special privilege to certain established firms while passing regulations to hinder competition?
Who are “they”? And what’s stopping them from imprisioning whomever they feel like? This is just another instance of “in a libertarian society nothing bad could ever happen because we’ll all be freeeeeeeee!!!”
The government is stopping them sir.
What if you don’t have the money to bring a lawsuit? What if the corporation has better lawyers? What if they bribe the judge or jury? And what about the people who got sick? Money can’t ring back a dead person.
What if lawyers worked pro bono or for part if the settlement. What if the truth was brought to light despite better lawyers? Does your philosophy not depend on an unbiased court system? If not I would be interested to hear your alternative. The thought of losing great sums of money would be a deterrent to making people sick
I can and will deny that politicians acquiesce to lazy people. There is no “lazy lobby”. The claim is ridiculous.
Union people on average are lazy. Wake up to our world dear friend. They would tell you themselves. Right now I am working in a union shop. I’ll look around after my break and tell you how many people are working if you’re interested.
I’m not the "Official " anything on Libertarianism, but based on my understanding of their philosophy of individial liberty, political freedom and minimal goverment:
No. Presumably Libertopian children must be of legal age of consent.
Prostitution is legal, but white slavery is not.
People would be free to purchase it but would be responsible for the consequences.
It wouldn’t be “underground”. It would just be two consenting adults beating the crap out of each other.
I’m not familiar with IP or copyright laws in Libertopia. I presume you can film whoever you like in public and do whatever you like with the film. But as for invading other people’s privacy, that would seem to infringe on the rights of others.
One of the Libertarian’s would need to answer this. But these sort of Tragedy of the Commons problems are one of the main arguments against pure Libertarianism. I suppose maybe the local community as a whole would decide if the business generated by the factory was worth the health and nusance issues.
I suppose you could, however if enough people were offended by it, you might find your business suffers.
Rape is illegal in Libertopia?
One would assume that the results of your DNA lab would not be considered reliable in a court of law.
Theoretically, one could also start a business rating DNA labs.
They had this when I went to Mexico on Spring Break. Although you had to pay to get shocked.
I assume murder is still illegal and the police would still be able to search your property if they had probable cause.
No. Drugging people without their knowlege infringes on their rights.
They wouldnt be arresting Fat Tony’s competitors while giving him free reign because the services he provides are no longer illegal.
Is the government set up like the current one? Legislative, Executive and Judicial?
How are they compensated? Is every product on the free market excised up the wazoo? Surely a society made up of “what’s mine is mine, get off my land!” won’t be much for donation. Nor can charity, donation or volunteering compensate for even a minimal effective government.
How is local law enforcement equipped and deployed?
How is the military equipped, and how do we defend our borders from enemies, terrorism and WMDs?
How do we take care of and tend to our millions elderly, ill and disabled?
Where does the equipment and resources for research and development for the advancement of scientific research come from?
In case you didn’t notice, Fat Tony doesn’t like competition, and they have a tendency to wind up buried in the endzone of Springfield Stadium. Do Quimby and Wiggum prosecute him?
You really need to learn how to properly quote people when responding inline like this. It’s impossible for anyone else to tell which comments are yours and which are mine. I know what I wrote, but no one else does.
At any rate, your responses are more wishful thinking that Libertopia would be this magical place where the Power of Freedom just protects us all.
Part of the issue is that there is no clear definition of how much government there would be in Libertopia. Many libertarians really do believe that there would be no government at all, while some agree with you that some would be needed. But how much and who makes that decision? Courts, police, military, I assume? What else? You finally agreed in another thread that the FDA was necessary, so that’s in. What else? You can’t just invoke the constitution of the FF because the answer isn’t there.
Of course government is corruptible, as people are corruptible. How would that change in Libertopia? You can ignore that corporations and powerful individuals can also be corrupt, and you can’t say that they wouldn’t be able to get away with it in Libertopia, since, as you say, the government that is supposed to stop them is corruptible. So why would Libertopia be magically free of corruption?
“What if lawyers worked pro bono or for part if the settlement”? What if they didn’t? What if it wasn’t worth it since they’d have no chance of beating powerful corporations? Can’t you see how that your beliefs are just based on wishful thinking?
Of course they arrest murderers. I think libertarianism is being confused with anarchy in this thread.
What prevents Fat Tony from just paying them off like he did before Springfield became Libertopia? What changed?
I can admit when my ideas are poorly thought out. Maybe I’m not a full-fledged devil may care libertarian. I don’t necessarily see it as a concrete philosophy. Maybe some do. I consider it to be on a spectrum with total authoritarianism at one end and anarchy on the other. I consider todays government to be closer to authoritarianism than I consider healthy. You seem to not think so. I outlined in an earlier post some specific things the government currently does that I think they have no business doing. The FDA is something I would accept in Willtopia but it would have to be reformed. I’m not arguing for full fledged anarchy I’m arguing against our current path towards Aldous Huxley style dystopia.
Well there’s your problem right there. The world is far more complex than that and libertarian ideals are a poor substitute for cold, hard facts.
This could happen in any society. What is preventing it in your ideal society? The difference is instead of the government doing Tony’s dirty work of taking out competition, Tony has to do it himself.