In a libertarian society...

[cmyk]

@Terr

LOL. Not like I expected to change your mind. You keep clinging to the “the Big Daddy government knows better than the little people what’s good for them” doctrine.

No, it’s just that these “freedoms” you seem to be holding high are the very reasons our current government evolved to the way we see it today.

Do I believe there needs to be a ton of reform on various aspects of the government and agencies? Absolutely. But going back to the wild west isn’t the answer. And certainly setting up a government that is largely (or almost exclusively) reactive and punitive, instead of a balance of reactive, proactive, preventative, and punitive is pure madness.

Like Hentor the Barbarian said, a government of the people, for the people and by the people.

Those three prepositions aren’t in the Gettysburg Address by mistake, and “for” seems like a tough one for a lot of people to choke down.

[WillFarnaby]

@cmyk

6. Unchecked and unbalanced power leads to a society that resembles Stephen King’s The Stand.

What did I miss?

just substitute Brave New World in this one.

[CannyDan]

@Terr

Mask use, hand hygiene, and seasonal influenza-like illness among young adults: a randomized intervention trial - PubMed

We observed significant reductions in ILI during weeks 4-6 in the mask and hand hygiene group, compared with the control group, ranging from 35% (confidence interval [CI], 9%-53%) to 51% (CI, 13%-73%), after adjusting for vaccination and other covariates. Face mask use alone showed a similar reduction in ILI compared with the control group, but adjusted estimates were not statistically significant. Neither face mask use and hand hygiene nor face mask use alone was associated with a significant reduction in the rate of ILI cumulatively.

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Cool. Hand hygiene should be similarly legislated.

I call your specific attention to the parts saying “adjusted estimates were not statistically significant” and " Neither face mask use and hand hygiene nor face mask use alone was associated with a significant reduction in the rate of ILI cumulatively." It strongly suggests that “weeks 4-6” were some kind of abberation in the data.

Regardless, your cite clearly does nothing to support the assertions you make for reduction in flu mortality.

Nor does your flu analogy do anything to support libertarianism.

[cmyk]

@WillFarnaby

just substitute Brave New World in this one.

Or 1984.

Despite the ugly mess we’re in, I don’t see our country converting to an authoritarian government anytime soon.

[Terr]

@CannyDan

I call your specific attention to the parts saying “adjusted estimates were not statistically significant” and " Neither face mask use and hand hygiene nor face mask use alone was associated with a significant reduction in the rate of ILI cumulatively." It strongly suggests that “weeks 4-6” were some kind of abberation in the data.

Explain this: CONCLUSIONS: These findings suggest that face masks and hand hygiene may reduce respiratory illnesses in shared living settings and mitigate the impact of the influenza A(H1N1) pandemic.

Regardless, your cite clearly does nothing to support the assertions you make for reduction in flu mortality.

Reducing spread of influenza reduces mortality.

Nor does your flu analogy do anything to support libertarianism.

IYO.

[Terr]

@cmyk

Or 1984.

Despite the ugly mess we’re in, I don’t see our country converting to an authoritarian government anytime soon.

I definitely see it happening. You probably never lived under one. I did.

[cmyk]

@Terr

I definitely see it happening. You probably never lived under one. I did.

Talk about the sky falling.

Which one, if I may ask?

[cmyk]

@Terr

Explain this: CONCLUSIONS: These findings suggest that face masks and hand hygiene may reduce respiratory illnesses in shared living settings and mitigate the impact of the influenza A(H1N1) pandemic.
Reducing spread of influenza reduces mortality.

Explanation bolded for your convenience.

[Terr]

@cmyk

Talk about the sky falling.

Which one, if I may ask?

USSR. And the Democrats’ rhetoric (and some Republican as well) more and more is starting to resemble the Soviets.

I am not the only one who grew up in USSR who thinks that. Lots of people I know who grew up there and live here now agree.

Used to be United States was the place to escape to. Now there is nowhere to run.

[Fear_Itself]

@Terr

Used to be United States was the place to escape to. Now there is nowhere to run.

I hear the government in Somalia is very weak, hardly a burden at all. Perhaps you would be happier there?

[CannyDan]

@cmyk

Explanation bolded for your convenience.

Thanks. You beat me to it – pointing out the obvious, that is.

[Terr]

@Fear_Itself

I hear the government in Somalia is very weak, hardly a burden at all. Perhaps you would be happier there?

yeah yeah yeah. How original of you.

[Terr]

@cmyk

Explanation bolded for your convenience.

“Shared living settings”. Like urban environments.

[CannyDan]

@Terr

“Shared living settings”. Like urban environments.

No, like nursing homes and hospitals.

[Kolga]

Anyone who can say with a straight face and no irony that the U.S. now resembles the USSR is on some serious reality-bending medication.

Regulation of some things does not mean totalitarianism, no matter how much you’d like to try to redefine your terms.

[cmyk]

The Bill of Rights are so ingrained in this country, not only being part of the constitution itself, but as common ideals, it’s hard to imagine the sort of regime it would take to overturn these and create a significant army that would result in that sort of backwards revolution. De-revolution?

[Terr]

@cmyk

The Bill of Rights are so ingrained in this country, not only being part of the constitution itself, but as common ideals, it’s hard to imagine the sort of regime it would take to overturn these and create a significant army that would result in that sort of backwards revolution. De-revolution?

Look up Soviet Constitution some time. It’s probably online somewhere. Read it. Wonderful rights for everyone. Rights to freedom of speech, assembly, press, religion. Rights to work, to vacation, to health care, to old age care, to education, to housing, to whatever…

Kinda reminds me of what OWS people are clamoring for.

[Fear_Itself]

@Terr

Kinda reminds me of what OWS is demanding.

Wha…!!!

Someone actually knows what OWS is demanding?

[cmyk]

@Terr

Look up Soviet Constitution some time. It’s probably online somewhere. Read it. Wonderful rights for everyone. Rights to freedom of speech, assembly, press, religion. Rights to work, to vacation, to health care, to old age care, to education, to housing, to whatever…

Kinda reminds me of what OWS people are clamoring for.

I wouldn’t vote for a Libertarian Party for the same (yet opposite) reasons I wouldn’t vote for any Socialist or Communist Party. They don’t work.

[Ludovic]

@Terr

yeah yeah yeah. How original of you.

What an amazing counter argument. I’m so impressed.