In a libertarian society...

[Terr]

@kenetic

I never agreed to that right. Why should I be forced to abide by it just because I was born into a society that accepts it?

You don’t have to abide by it. You may not survive long though.

I can take care of myself, I don’t need police or courts.

In a libertarian society, you don’t have to use them. As I said, you may not survive long though.

[Terr]

@Fear_Itself

There is a cosmic right to property? Says who?

Again, for the Nth time - you’re in the “In a libertarian society…” thread. In a libertarian society, there is a “cosmic right to property”.

[Terr]

@The_Tao_s_Revenge

I can posit rights too. There’s a right not to have your boss make you choose between rape or your family starving. There’s a right to healthcare, basic food, shelter, and education.

Those rights are a duty of your society to provide, should you be unable to provide them for yourself.

Any time a “right” needs to be “provided”, it ceases to be a “right” and becomes a “handout”.

[PigArcher]

@Terr

In a libertarian society, you don’t have to use them. As I said, you may not survive long though.

But I’m required to pay for them, thus supporting all those weak people who want Big Daddy government to take care of them?

@Terr

Any time a “right” needs to be “provided”, it ceases to be a “right” and becomes a “handout”.

But when the government provides you with the right to life or property, that’s not a handout?

[Terr]

@kenetic

But I’m required to pay for them, thus supporting all those weak people who want Big Daddy government to take care of them?

No. You only pay for what you use.

[Fear_Itself]

@Terr

In a libertarian society, there is a “cosmic right to property”.

If it doesn’t exist outside Libertopia, it is not a cosmic right.

[Terr]

@Fear_Itself

If it doesn’t exist outside Libertopia, it is not a cosmic right.

It exists everywhere.

[Czarcasm]

@Terr

Again, for the Nth time - you’re in the “In a libertarian society…” thread. In a libertarian society, there is a “cosmic right to property”.

So the Libertarian government creates this “cosmic right to property” at it’s inception?

[Fear_Itself]

@Terr

It exists everywhere.

I am under no obligation to respect your religion, even in Libertopia.

[Terr]

@Czarcasm

So the Libertarian government creates this “cosmic right to property” at it’s inception?

No. It recognizes its existence. It exists no matter whether the government recognizes it or not.

[PigArcher]

@Terr

No. You only pay for what you use.

So poor people should have no access to the police or courts?

[Czarcasm]

@Terr

It exists everywhere.

I just Googled the term, and I’m not finding it anywhere except in your posts in this thread. Is it something you invented, or can you provide a cite where others talk about it?

[Terr]

@Fear_Itself

I am under no obligation to respect your religion, even in Libertopia.

You definitely don’t have to. But if you don’t recognize the right to property, you won’t survive long.

[The_Tao_s_Revenge]

@Terr

Any time a “right” needs to be “provided”, it ceases to be a “right” and becomes a “handout”.

So then ownership property isn’t a right. If I can steal it, it wasn’t a right to keep it.

Ownership of your body isn’t a right. Someone could overwhelm you and steal your kidneys.

You only get property and a body because others provide you the handout of protection.

[Czarcasm]

@Terr

No. It recognizes its existence. It exists no matter whether the government recognizes it or not.

Please show me works by other Libertarians that reference it , then.

[Terr]

@Czarcasm

I just Googled the term, and I’m not finding it anywhere except in your posts in this thread. Is it something you invented, or can you provide a cite where others talk about it?

The Market for Liberty - Wikipedia - chapter 8. Just as an example.

[Terr]

@The_Tao_s_Revenge

So then ownership property isn’t a right. If I can steal it, it wasn’t a right to keep it.

That doesn’t follow from what I said.

Ownership of your body isn’t a right. Someone could overwhelm you and steal your kidneys.

That doesn’t follow from what I said.

You only get property and a body because others provide you the handout of protection.

Just because someone violates your right doesn’t mean the right does not exist. That’s just a basic logical fallacy. Try again.

[Fear_Itself]

@Terr

You definitely don’t have to. But if you don’t recognize the right to property, you won’t survive long.

Much like the Mafia.

[The_Tao_s_Revenge]

@Terr

That doesn’t follow from what I said.
That doesn’t follow from what I said.
Just because someone violates your right doesn’t mean the right does not exist. That’s just a basic logical fallacy. Try again.

I’m just applying your own fallacious logic.

You said rights didn’t have to be provided. You have no right to keep property, if others have to protect you from thieves.

[PigArcher]

@Terr

The Market for Liberty - Wikipedia - chapter 8. Just as an example.

Wow, someone wrote a book. I guess that settles it then. :rolleyes: