Also these questions remain:
I wouldn’t steal to pay for someone else’s eyesight… But I would – certainly! – steal if that were the only way to preserve my own eyesight! Hell yes! In a heartbeat!
(Hm… Maybe my sister’s eyesight… I’m not sure… Could go either way on that…)
(And I’d probably abet my friend stealing money to pay for his own eyesight. So, morally, pretty much the same thing.)
Bad actions for good reasons. Is anyone surprised that such things happen?
(Why do you think money is kept in locked vaults?)
Trinopus
It may surprise you to know that some of us can embrace more than one principle. We can recognize that the principle of individual freedom of choice is important AND at the same time, recognize the principle that we need regulations to live by in a society, and these regulations are best set by common consent in a democratic way.
We can see that unfettered freedom of choice can sometimes be damaging to the welllbeing of the society that we live in AND at the same time that complete control of the individual is both impossible to achieve and very undesirable.
And most of us have grown beyond basing our philosophies on old Paramount movies.
And you’re still not answering the question.
Why not? You would have the government steal in order to pay for someone else’s eyesight. But you wouldn’t dirty your hands yourself. A bit hypocritical wouldn’t you say?
One could do a lot worse than basing one’s philosophy on Barbarella…
Trinopus
Because the question has different answers depending on the situation. There are situations, back against the wall, no options, in which I would steal yes.
Again do you feel a mother who steals bread to feed her starving children is being immoral?
Taxation isn’t theft. Every society taxes. If you don’t like taxation, may I suggest you spend your time crying equally about gravity, death and the color of the moon.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Taxation isn’t theft. Taxation is a duty.
Btw these questions still remain:
No, since I do not hold taxation to be theft.
But it is nice to see you attempting to play “gotcha.” Were I to object to that, that would be hypocritical of me.
Trinopus
Of course you don’t. And some people don’t hold theft to be theft. It’s just redistribution of wealth.
And some people don’t hold antibiotics to be antibiotics.
Shrug.
I think we’re done here. Mwaaaah! G’nite everybody.
Trinopus
Theft is theft. Taxation is taxation. If you want to claim that taxation is theft it’s up to you to make that argument.
As said, taxes aren’t theft. And giving someone back their eyesight is not exactly a terrible accusation to make against someone. When they are done taxing us to cure the blind, perhaps they can tax us to make the lame walk and raise the dead, too.
As I said before, certain things are axiomatic. I will make the argument. You will dismiss it because you don’t want to think that way. Nothing will change. No point.
What - no comment yet on the cites I gave for the stuff you refused to believe?
Let me make this perfectly clear: Israel is an armed society that consists of military veterans. Military veterans are trained not to shoot each other. An armed society that consists of trained military veterans is completely different than an armed society that does not consists of trained military veterans, and nothing that characterizes the former can be applied to the latter.
In other words, Israel doesn’t functions because it has guns. It functions because we’re fucking Israelis.
Being an Israeli, you would think Terr would already know this, but he seems to be less than knowledgeable about who can have weapons, and for what reasons, than a some of the non-Israelis in this thread.
I have the right to broadcast on any frequency I want! Tyranny!!!
Please answer the question. What’s to prevent someone from jamming a radio station they don’t like the speech of?
What’s to prevent a wired bandwidth provider from jamming the signal of competing wireless technologies?
Also what’s to prevent someone from jamming the signals of anyone who doesn’t pay them a bribe to stop?