In defence of Russia

It turns out some members of the elite forces (I’m assuming their equivalent of the US’s Secret Service is considered elite) aren’t all that interested in fighting Putin’s war. Besides learning that from the article, I also learned an interesting euphemism: едет в Сочи (yedet v Sochi), “Going to Sochi”, meaning “going AWOL”.

The article describes the lenghts some have gone to in an effort to avoid fighting as well as what some soldiers on the front have experienced. It also shows the resurrection of the term refusenik but with a quite different meaning than when I first heard it.

And four months later, it looks like someone finally decided they are sacrificing too much in Bakhmut. It’s not Ukraine, of course, it’s Wagner, with Prigozhin speaking from a field of Wagner corpses:

“I declare on behalf of the Wagner fighters, on behalf of the Wagner command, that on May 10, 2023, we are obliged to transfer positions in the settlement of Bakhmut to units of the defence ministry and withdraw the remains of Wagner to logistics camps to lick our wounds,” Prigozhin said in a statement.

If only this was a pivotal setback in Russia’s invasion.

It would have been a better speech if Prigozhin had said that he was pivoting his forces to attack the real evil, Putin.

p.s. What happened to our local :wink: Putin cheerleader? Has he posted since the end of January?

He posted April 12thin this thread, and May 1st in FQ.

Thanks. Damn search function isn’t working correctly.

Bakhmut is lost. The cost to hold it was too high. The strategy to grind up Ukraine forces there was a success. Not really due to brilliant Russian tactics of any kind. More so due to stubbornness of Ukraine to hold it. However, I think if Ukraine had received adequate materiel support from the west sooner. They would have been able to inflict far more losses on the Russians. Been better able to hold off flanking maneuvers. The worsening artillery imbalance made that impossible.
Wagner will rotate out. Other forces, maybe Chechen will replace them. The line will flatten out there soon. With Bakhmut taken.
There are secondary defence lines for Ukraine. Hopefully they have the materiel and personnel to put up a good fight there.
I fear they might deplete too much from defensive positions and apportion it to the offence.
Russia somehow seems to still be capable of using much larger amounts of long range weapons. Even I am wondering how the hell they keep feeding the beast. This is the advantage. Attrition at a distance.
Even second rate fighters can slowly advance with that advantage.
Wagner will rest and equip for the next urban warfare situation. Prigozhin is a wild card. But he is not ultimately in command of the Wagner forces. And they are always heavily supported by regular Russian forces.

What a joke of a post from a lying piece of shit. Russia has had far, far more casualties in Bakhmut than Ukraine, and they still haven’t taken it. It’s exactly the opposite of what you say – Ukraine’s strategy, to grind up Russian forces in wasteful and meaningless offensives, has been an enormous success, and is setting the stage for the upcoming Ukrainian offensive by keeping Russian focus on this meaningless little town instead of preparing defensive fortifications.

Russia is failing, again and again, as are its lying pawns like you. Fuck you, lying piece of shit.

Yes, the Russians have managed to grind down Ukrainian forces there while incurring losses of only seven Russian soldiers to every one Ukrainian. The Russian leadership will no doubt consider this a great military success if they ever capture Bakhmut.

I understand, I have typos too sometimes. I know you meant to type “failure” but accidentally wrote “success”. In which case, this would be fully accurate.

Oh, you had another typo, you meant “take” rather than “hold”. Those pesky keyboards!

However, the statement “Bakhmut is lost”, might be true, once this years offensive kicks in. It’s just that the poster must have meant it from the point of view of the Russians instead of the Ukrainians.

I distrust the casualty figures from both sides.
But the technical battle situations can give one an estimate of which side will lose more. The side that is capable of delivering longer range attack in greater quantity will likely suffer fewer casualties and equipment loss.
In most cases the Russians have that advantage. Not always. But most often.
In Bakhmut I am sure the Russians suffered more losses than they do in non urban settings. But they still had the advantage in range and quantity. They also flanked to bring Ukraine forces and materiel entering and leaving the area under fire. Russian forces and materiel did not face that situation.
Currently Ukraine forces hold only a couple square kilometers of the area.

Lying. Propaganda.
I am giving my opinion. I form my opinions from a variety of sources. I could of course be wrong. But I am not trying to lie, or even sway others opinions.
I feel there is a distortion of the overall situation of the war. A too overly optimistic portrayal of Ukraine situation. This may even be hurting them. They depend on external support. If things are reported to be going so great, then there can be less incentive to supply support. I think actual military personnel get a truer picture. But the public and politicos may not get as fully behind ramping up support to the levels needed.

You’ve told us which sources you use, and that’s why you’re always wrong. Your sources are total garbage; propaganda and conspiracies.

Indeed, when Komrad’s ‘sources’ lead him to post utter nonsense like this:

It’s not safe to trust him about what color the sky is. Wagner’s disputes with the regular Russian military are long and well documented; they were openly feuding with each other four months ago when Komrad made his aged like milk predictions about Bakhmut. Stating that Prigozhin isn’t ultimately in command of Wagner is like saying the sky is pink and purple. Claiming they are always supported - heavily, even! - by regular Russian forces is truly idiotic and very clearly demonstrates that Komrad lives in an alternate reality. Ignoring for the moment the months long feud between the two, it’s impossible to imagine how one could account for Prigozhin’s latest video apart from simply ignoring its existence.

For anyone who hasn’t watched the video, this is the closest I could quickly find to a transcript of what he said, it politely edits out all the times he screams fuck or fucking: Wagner Boss Screams and Swears at Putin’s War Chiefs in New Video (businessinsider.com)

The Wagner Group boss Yevgeny Prigozhin released a video on Thursday of him shouting and cursing at the Kremlin’s two top officials.

His latest video, published on his press service’s Telegram channel, contains the military contractor’s harshest public comments about Russia’s leaders since the war began.

“Here are the guys from PMC Wagner who died today. The blood is still fresh,” Prigozhin said in the video seen by Insider.

“Film them all,” he told a cameraman, who pans across a grassy clearing filled with rows of corpses dressed in combat fatigues.

Prigozhin then launches into an expletive-filled tirade against Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and General Valery Gerasimov, who Putin tasked with running the war in Ukraine.

He swore at least nine times in the video, though his press service censored the expletives.

“We have a 70% ammo shortage! Shoigu! Gerasimov!” Prigozhin said before demanding to know where the ammo for his troops was.

He said military leaders who wouldn’t give his troops ammunition would “have their insides eaten in hell.”

“You animals are hanging out in expensive clubs,” Prigozhin continued. “Your children are enjoying their lives, making videos for YouTube. Do you think that you are the masters of this life and that you have the right to control their lives?”

Prigozhin said that the death toll among his troops would have been five times lower if they had been supplied with enough ammunition.

“They came here as volunteers,” he said, referring to the dead men in the video. “And are dying for you to be rolling in clover in your mahogany offices. Keep that in mind!”

Prigozhin — generally seen as a close ally of Putin — repeatedly complained that his troops were running out of supplies, and has accused Russia’s top brass of cutting him off and dooming his men in Ukraine.

He said his forces were only receiving a fifth of the shells they needed every day, and that the shortage was costing his men their lives.

On Saturday, Prigozhin said his troops in Bakhmut would either have to “withdraw or die” given the massive ammunition deficit. He later added that Wagner Group had lost more than 100 people in a single day during an assault there.

Truly, the amount of mutual respect and support that Wagner and the regular Russian armed forces have for each other is a shining example of the power of cooperation.

Not to worry though; did you know Gazprom has been forming their own PMC? It’ called Potok (поток), or ‘flow’, insert your own dying for oil joke here.

Oh, and finally about Komrad’s earlier claims of wavering support for Ukraine in the international community, that one hasn’t aged very well either.

In addition to China, Kazakhstan and all other post-Soviet republics except Tajikistan and Uzbekistan (which abstained), as well as countries that the Russian authorities call “friendly,” voted in favor of the document. These include India, Brazil, and Turkey.

Votes against came from only five countries. In addition to Russia, these are Belarus, DR Congo, Nicaragua, and Syria. A total of 122 countries were in favor.

When even Kazakhstan is abandoning what little support voting to abstain gives to voting in favor of a declaration calling Russia the aggressor, you know you’ve got diplomatic problems.

Hehe.
Oh such a happy bunch that I posted again!
I noted someone seemed to be pining for me. Even searching for me.

You folks have some issues.

Reality will out.

The reality is that Russia is failing again and again.

Those aren’t typos. In their masturbatory glee in posting that nonsense, Kompromat’s command of a foreign language has plummeted.

We have it directly from the commander of the Russian forces in Bakhmut that that statement is true… from the Russian point of view. Which point of view are you taking, @Kedikat ?

Or as Obi-Wan Kedikobi says: