Well, the link to the Ward OP may fall into that category but not your stupid fucking lying journo.
Again [dimwit, you manage to no doubt deliberately confuse several issues
(a) Pre War warnings over worst case scenarios. Humanitarian and other orgs are in the business of planning for the worst - if they don’t they get caught with their pants down. Lying ideologues such as yourself and your fucking British ideo-pimp like to distort this, but the reality is warnings are not predictions, they’re part of a rational planning process. Had UN WFP, HCR, IMO and indeed US forces and USAID admins not planned for bad conditions they would not have had the material in place to alleviate the current situation, which remains not good at all.
(b) Actual reporting on actual conditions (which change over time) - here again you deliberately conflate, as part of your sick little agenda (a) with (b) and then pretend that reports in April are discredited when because of CPA-I and UN actions, conditions are alleviated in May and in June - as well as deliberately down-playing actual problems that continue.
None of the material I have provided support your original assertions that the media are exagerating problems in Iraq (actual to time of reporting) or that there are not serious issues for the CPA-I that do indeed ‘threaten to lose the peace.’
No, not other you lying piece of garbage, direct to the point of your claims, however much your verminous scutling to new ground tries to disguise the fact.
Very valid, and I believe I can fairly be said to strive to support personal reporting with other sources, rather than simply argue from my own authority. I also endeavor to provide materials which can be cross-checked, although I have not given my sources on all.
I am well aware that to trust my own reporting is to accept unverified representations. And I am as well aware that while I could verify for all who I am and what I do, that would rather ‘blow my cool’ in my opinion, insofar as the thin veneer of anonym. allows me to be free in my comments. For that I recently declined a ‘real life’ offer to write a column on these issues with a regional news organization.
In the end, it is quite right to observe that my reporting on personallyt sourced information is hearsay. I do believe on one hand I have an excellent track record on presenting information that has stood up to the test of time, on the other hand, yes it is hearsay. however my hearsay at minimum is backed by a record, and I do claim that at the very least, I go to no small lengths to provide outside sourcing to cross reference which is both substantive and from sources of no small credibility.
I dare anyone to make the same statement about december.
How would you like to be Tony Blair right now? Without a Fox News Channel mouthpiece to provide his spin without analysis, he seems to be taking it in the shorts.
Of course maybe my using unbiased sources screwed up my search. Hmmm, is there a filter that just returns Op-Ed pieces and ultra right-wing web sites as results?
I should defend this point in the interest of absolute fairness, first it has nothing directly to do with the state of Iraq, and secondly it is as of yet an unproven point - except that the scaremongering chicken little scenarios december et al were pimping pre war were clearly false. On the other hand, I fully expect some level of NBCs, probably only theater level chemical weapons (i.e. tactical usage only) and perhaps some biological capacity.
Humanitarian orgs *spin *for the worst. They don’t *plan *for the worst, because they don’t have the resources to solve the worst case. All they can do is distribute whatever resources they have. They provide lots of valuable help, but they can’t solve the problem themselves.
By promoting a pessimistic POV, humanitarian orgs make themselves more important and justify more donations and funding. It’s natural for any organization to promote the importance of what they do. Organizations from the ACLU to the National Rifle Assn. perpetually claim that their area of interest is now facing critical threats.
However, the pessimism of humanitarian orgs in Iraq led to a three-step dynamic.[ol][]Humanitarian orgs put out ultra-pessimistic scenarios.[]Media report these scenarios as if they’re actually occurring or are likely to occur.America-bashers use these media reports “prove” that Bush and Rumsfeld are fucking up post-war Iraq.[/ol]
Well, to your credit, you do not credit a newspaper column for this “fact”. You just made a statement of fact on what basis? According to this site cholera has even been reported in America last year although granted not in Iraq.
So a search on Google for cholera this morning gave me this “grave” report at best to support your claim. Note that only a risk is reported, no cholera outbreak.
Since this claim of yours was to respond to December’s claim that things are not as bad in Iraq as first reported, I must say it falls flat.
Now try to overcome your fixation with diapers,depends and the associated bodily fluids.
Ah that’s your opinion, and insofar as I don’t see you have experience or exposure to humanitarian orgs, I’ll just say that you are worth less than the crud in my amigos toes who do the work. Worthless piece of posturing shit.
Te rest is just your typical posturing. I note you’ve not supported a single assertion to date with anything approaching facts.
You asserted that, “Humanitarian and other orgs are in the business of planning for the worst - if they don’t they get caught with their pants down.” You comment implies that by planning for the worst, these orgs can deal with the worst. Where’s the proof for your assertion? Can you link us to actual plans where humanitarian organzations were going to deal with the worst case?
I said these orgs promote a worst case POV, but they do only what they can, which is to distribute the resources they have. I said that media promote that POV.
Here’s an example of the UN promoting a worst case POV: Iraq in danger of starvation, says UN Note the media spin. The article includes no balance. There are no quotes from spokesperson who believe things aren’t as bad as the UN says they are.
Furthermore, although the UN pointed out a lot of concerns and problems there’s nothing in the article about any plan by which the UN will solve all the problems.
What the fuck are you talking about you contemptible lying sack of hypocritical shit?
Recall the fucking article you based your dumb fucking OP on or the motherfucking sack of shit who wrote Iraq is great?
Recall the refugee camps planned and laid out in case people came out of Iraq? You recall pissing and moaning about the waste, well that is planning and organizing for a worst case scenario. I happen to know the folks who worked on that, indeed the team leader is an American and a Republican to boot. However, he’s not a worthless whinging lying ideological sack of shit willing to run down and piss on people doing real work and putting their fucking lives on the line.
Your worthless disgusting criticisms of these people really puts you with the lowest of the low, the most contemptible morally bankrupt lying pieces of scum I have ever encountered.
You frankly disgust me, you fucking lying piece of garbage.
Yes, I can you piece of lying scum, althogh I don’t why I should bothre since you will simply gutllessly smear and run down the people doing dangerous yoeman work in areas where you can get summarily shot, hit a mine and otherwise die a gruesome death.
Would you go so far as to say that all this negative talk about NGOs is damaging their morale, and possibly thereby endangering lives? After all, if the NGOs get discouraged and pull out of Iraq, just think of the consequences…
Coll, my friend? Sometimes you need to know when it’s best just to walk away. December likes the attention… you know that… but the truth is the truth. There will always be folks like December who WANT to believe their own rose-coloured agendas. It’s not something we can change by losing our cool sadly…
There’s not much we can do about it. Console yourself with this reality Coll… in just one 24 hour period, you probably speak to, and experience more interesting, wide ranging, worldly folks that December does in an entire year. Consider the likely life that December leads and compare it with yours. I’m willing to wager who leads the more fulfilling, interesting life.
So… as I said… time to walk away. You’re better than silly threads like this…
Let’s compare this insult with what your cite actually says. E.g.,
Four step are listed:
– Releasing a Desk Study
– Calling attention
– Breaking the levees
– Holding a meeting
Your cite says that UNEP did the first two items. I suppose UNEP representatives will be at the international meeting, regardless of who called it. The cite leaves it unclear as whether the UN or some other organization broke the levees. But, credit for the opportunity to bring the marshlands back to life belongs to American and British soldiers, under the leadership of Bush, Rumsfeld, and Blair for providing the leadership. Those who criticize the military are the ones who deserve the epithet “running down people who put their lives on the line for a fucking bullshit political point.”
Nor is this an example of planning for the worst case. The ecological damage to these marshes is atrocious. The UN will do what it can, but it doesn’t guarantee to return the marshes to their prior conditions.
The Database Project
Farther down, your UN cite says,
I’m quite the expert in database projects. I’ve worked on a great many in my career. All were trumpeted as being grand solutions, but most turned out to be worthless. In the case of those that did have some value, a hand-written list would often have served the same purpose. That would appear to be true here, where a fairly manageable number of projects will be conducted.
I’ve learned that debating with december is an exercise in futility. He is a selective reader and tends to declare a discussion dead once he is no longer amused by it.
Note: linked thread was originally longer; at least one page was lost due to the snafu during our Winter of Missed Content
It’s wrong for me to quote from a book. It’s wrong for Linda Tripp to consider writing a book. Books should only be used by annointed liberals. It’s simply improper for conservatives to have anything to do with books.
I wouldn’t go that far. Problem was, you were quoting from a book that is not easily independently verified but (IIRC) also has questionable facts. Much like yourself.
Yeah, he was really digging himself into a pit there. Anyone wondering why december is so universally disliked around here (e.g.: grienspace) should read it, even though I think the best part was lost when it was truncated.
The book, Guide to the Perfect Latin American Idiot
by Plinio Apuleyo Mendoza, Carlos Alberto Montaner, and Alvaro Vargas Llosa, was a best seller in Latin America. It criticized the leftist governments of Latin America. Naturally, the book was praised by the right and criticized by the left.
The fact remains this book is a main-stream, serious publication. Yet based on nothing but your own opinion you feel free to criticize the book and to criticize me for citing it. Although I have no doubt that you want to be open-minded, the effect is to justify your ignoring an opposing POV.
How about reading the book? I’d be happy to debate it with you.
