In which I Pit the American Trucker...

Point of order:

Full-length semi-trailers are 53’ end-to-end. It’s the inside height that is 110" (9 feet, 2 inches). The “double trailers” are two half-length trailers.

To those who are saying, “bring back trains,” I have news for you: They never went anywhere. They’re still hauling stuff cross-country. Unfortunately, once the cargo reaches the train depot, it still has to get to its final destination, by road. Hmm, how’s it going to do that? By truck.

And thanks for your touching words, MsRobyn and dalejrfan.

I see triples quite frequently on my regular drive between Toledo and Chicago on Interstate 80/90.

The company hubby works for will not haul doubles. They, like alot of drivers feel it’s unsafe to do so. If it is the half trailers it may be safe, but with the 48 or 53 footers it’s not.

If 25 car lengths is recommended to get out of the blind spot, about how far back is that? I don’t do car lengths very well; instead I generally use about two seconds between me and the car in front–more for trucks, of course. Is being able to see both of the truck’s mirrors far back enough? And how about when I’m passing?

Yes

You should be able to see both the trucks headlights and all of his grill before you start to turn back in. It also helps the trucker see you better if you turn on your headlights before passing.

A truck is supposed to stay several truck lengths behind you. Most 4 wheelers don’t understand this, so when they see the large cap they pull into it. I’ve watched hubby when he’s on a busy freeway and in order for him to maintain the gap he’d have to be driving backwards.

Thanks for the kind words. That was fun! I was expecting to be flamed. Must be my kind of people :wink:

Rhonda

Something else to think about, is a lot of truckers get sent everywhere. Unless they have a dedicated route and are experienced they may be in a new place, on a new road, in a new vehicle, maybe even a new job.
I know one day if I had a CB, I’d have given a driver what for and told him where to go. I pulled up to a dangerous intersection in our small town. It is just two stop signs crossing a busy main highway, one way is easy to see, the other way there is a train tressel (SP?) with a curve shortly after. Therefore you can see a limited distance. One day I commited to pulling out (I’m very careful at this intersection) and caught a semi out of the corner of my eye screaming through there. I just stomped on the gas. He was clearly going faster than the 45 mph speed limit and I’d have yelled at him for that. At the same time the intersection is poorly marked and seen, needs to be a 4 way stop. It could be as simple as the driver had never been this way and was just cruising along…
I always give trucks space and time. Even sometimes waiting what seems like ridiculous amounts of time pulling out on a highway to let some pass. To me it’s not worth it. If something were to happen to my vehicle I’m dead, no way around it. This way I also don’t have to worry about them having to brake behind me. I always make sure to signal early if I see a truck behind me. ESPECIALLY if there is a bad driver right on my bumper. A lot of times, I’ll punch the gas speed up and signal giving him more time to stop. He can’t accelerate fast enough to stay right behind me. So this is a realistic solution to keep even the inconsiderate driver from running over me. I wish there was more information given about sharing the road with 18 wheelers. I would have NO clue if I haven’t had chances to ride with my husband and see unbelieveable things people do.
The things people do driving in regular vehicles is enough to aggravate us. Let alone the things truck drivers have to put up with. Can’t say as I blame grumpy ones.
Don’t you love the people that pass on a busy highway to drive one car length ahead of you for 30 miles? Sometimes causing the other lane to put on the brakes or nearly causing wrecks . I’d like to get out and thump those idiots. It is NEVER worth risking 5-15 min. for your life.
Rhonda

The first bit is quite easy but how the hell do you achieve the second when most truckers seem intent on eating up 9 of those 10 car lengths as quickly as possible?

I’ve taken to keeping to the left lanes where the truckers are not (supposedly) allowed to roam.

I have many comments on your post, but the first one is that you KNOW as well as I do 99.7% of todays truckers are on drugs and or liquored up while driving. Admit it. They are driving way past thier physical limit and falsifying thier log books. You KNOW that also, as you stated that you have a husband that drives a semi. Be honest now Rhonda.
I am not speaking here with no experience. I have famliy members that drive trucks. Yes they ARE on drugs! In my opinion, if they can’t take the seat, get out of the tractor. Do NOT tell me your husband did not know what he was in for when he started driving a truck. In reality, most men drive trucks to escape thier families or a wife that is a hopeless nag and will bed ANY man she sees as soon as the ol’ boy pulls onto the highway for his run. They steal from thier loads, and puhleeeze do not try to say your man hasn’t! Ever had five boxes of lobster in your freezer or better yet some steaks that were slated for Delmonico’s??? Maybe planted a tree that he was hauling ? Or taken a few boxes of dish detergent for your own use ??? If you are going to post here, at least be honest . Defend your husband if you must but my hunch is that you got so defensive because you know all of these things I am saying are true. Yeah, there are good truckers, but they are few and far between now a days. In fact in Illinois, where I used to live the truckers were buying thier CDL’s …could not even pass the test. let me ask you one more question before I go to bed, how many times has he had his tires recut to make more tread???

Right you are.

Hear that, folks? No more complaining from you car drivers. You can complain only if you drive a truck.

And for all of you who might be upset by the following:

Some of you jerks out there might be inclined to condemn this behavior. But you cannot condemn it unless you’ve been driving a truck like that for numerous years. And while we’re at it – all you swimmers out there, shut the f*ck up. You have no right to complain about jetskis unless you’ve been riding them for some length of time.

And all you @ssholes who want to ban snowmobiles in Yellow Stone Park? F-ck you! You can’t comment unless you have ridden drunk between bars in a blinding snowstorm.

And people who want other drivers to turn down that shitty rap music they’re playing at the decibel level of a jet plane – hey, screw you. You can’t comment unless you have played rap music at ear-splitting levels.

So why can’t we all just shut up, eh?

I’m not defending my husband in particular but all that take to American roads driving 18 wheels to make your life easier and better. The country would shut down if it were not for drivers.
I’m sure there are truckers on drugs and alchohol. Is my husband? NOPE. I also believe your stated 99.7% is quite a high statement considering the random tests companies give. Do you have proff of this number in writing somewhere?
He also does not drive to “get away from a nagging wife.” He started driving for the love of it. How many little boys would not drive a truck, seeing that’s what grandpa and daddy did. He LOVED to drive. He now hates it and would rather be home with his family. Unfortunately, what do you do in this day and age, after driving that many years? Luckily he got his local job back, it’s nice.
We have NEVER taken anything off a load, give me a freaking break, do you think that these companies do not send orders straight to the trucking company and know what they are supposed to get? LMAO… sure there have been the occasional, Hey this guy was selling this or that because such and such was damaged and the place they’d deliver refused it. Yes I think I remember my husband telling how he’s got a few things and it’s RARE because they were refused, or the drivers give it away. I don’t know the numbers on stealing either, but I’m sure it’s not as easy as you think. If so that is a dishonest person and there are no dishonest people in this world are there?
We’ve even joked about taking this or that off the truck. What do you think happens. When Lowe’s has contracted to get so many bundles of shingles from somewhere, this trucker gets the load and paperwork. Tell me how it is SO easy to slip 5 bundles off there, when I’m sure Lowe’s knows exactly what they ordered?
I think it is wrong to “GENERALIZE” against truck drivers as is being done here.
I don’t mind the complaints about idiot drivers, I myself have complaints, but to “GENERALIZE” IMO is just wrong.
Right now my husband delivers 4 wheelers/ATVs and motorcycles etc. If you could PLEASE PLEASE tell me how to steal one of these without being noticed I’d LOVE to have one. Thanks! can’t wait for your advice!!! and plan so I can be riding my brand new Blaster this winter. WOOOHOOO! Thank you SO MUCH for your help.
As for you buying CDL’s?? I remember that, yup it’s just wrong, BUT I remember someone allowing that as well. Why blame the driver just for that? I’d lay some blame with the one doing the illegal selling…
Thanks Rhonda

First off everybody pay attention when operating open heart surgery. Anything could happen and what did happen when the worst happened. Electicity go out? Brakes failed? Doesn’t matter, somebodys dead tragically. Could be me, could be you.

Now that we got that factor out of the way the rest are “rules” of the road. These “rules” go pertaining to the road.

Go with the flow of traffic. Don’t go playing marbles on the autoban. Which most of you don’t in any sence of the word.

Take the bus.

Give me a break Andy those analogies are not quite the same as what I’m trying to get across.
I’m not trying to ban snowmobiles and yes I haven’t even ridden one. I have played rap music at loud decibel’s and happen to like loud music of all kinds.

It was the generalization I was arguing against. Sort of like those wanting to ban my beloved bull breed dogs because of “pit bull paranoia” and a few attacks, when pit bulls are not even at the top of the biting list and some irresponsible owners are idiots. They should ban the deed, not the breed. That’s for another thread:)
Rhonda

well heck yeah it’s common practice to falsify log books, but again I don’t lay TOTAL blame with the trucker.
OKAY you have a job, job says get such and such here on time. You start out and get to your first stop, it’s 11:45, so the guys unloading you decide it’s a lunch break, you sit, come back and the forklift breaks down. DARN you sit another 2 hours while they borrow one from somewhere. GUESS WHAT? you make your living DRIVING not sitting. Those people you are delivering too could give a shit less if you get lost, your truck breaks down or whatever. All honest mistakes but they play AGAINST the driver. Okay start out, oh darn a blinding snowstorm, it takes you how many hours to get where?
It is not the 100% fault of the driver, you really think he wants to work that hard? it is the companies and people behind them that push them to ridiculous limits, that’s why I said until things change.
Oh yeah you decide you don’t want to do it? or you have a lot of late deliveries? you lose a job. You lose jobs who’s going to hire you? You don’t get hired, tell me how you feed your family and keep them warm?..hmmmmmmmm
I think drivers falsify log books to make a LIVING and don’t think the companies don’t know or don’t care either way. Again there is blame lying elsewhere other than the driver is there not? I guarantee 100% on the road aren’t O/O’s.
Rhonda

I think perhaps a reprise is in order here…

Ok, I get it. Truckers have it rough, who doesn’t on some level, but for the love of pete, if you can’t stand it, DON’T DO IT! There must be some reward, (like free stuff that “falls off” of a truck stop right there, I’ve known truckers, it happens) to doing the job, otherwise, the smart person would STOP driving a truck, and look for another way to feed his or her family.

and about the whole “the world would stop if it weren’t for truckers” dictum…spare me. Progress is both abstract AND linear, we, meaning the people for whom all of the truckers haul all of their “useless crap” would eventually find another way to get the food to market. It would be chaos for a few days, perhaps a week, but then someone (likely the feds) would step in, and things would begin to get back to normal. This is an arrogant stand, and one that’s weak at best. If we can recover from 9/11, certianly we can recover from a truckers exodus. On the extreme left of that example/solution, one can say that the lack of trucks might be a positive, and would eventually reintroduce localized manufacturing and farming, and keep some of the jobs local, rather than shipping them off to Mexico, but we all know that corporate profit margins would scarcely allow that.

As I pit the trucker, I also have empathy, as we all have difficult portions of our jobs to deal with, certianly I would like for people to stop using unsafe heating practices, as the smell of burnt flesh is acrid and difficult to stomach, but people will not stop being wreckless or foolish, ergo, those who can be safe, should,whilst scraping off of the pavement those who refuse to be.

DaleJr, welcome to the boards. But…

As for you buying CDL’s?? I remember that, yup it’s just wrong, BUT I remember someone allowing that as well. Why blame the driver just for that? I’d lay some blame with the one doing the illegal selling

Why blame the driver? Are you serious? Why blame the gang banger, hell, he was just BUYING the guns? Both parties were wrong, but the end result is that the drivers were the ones out in the public, not the sellers. They share the blame certianly, but 51% goes to the drivers.

I’m glad I got this going, I’ve learned a few things I didn’t know about the system, and was proven right on some of the theories I held.

Good day all, and Happy Thanksgiving.

Dude…I think your overall point and position are sound, but your specifics need some work. 9/11 (and jeeze, this is opening a can of worms here) for all that was horrifying about it, did not nearly impact the economy like a mass trucking strike coast-to-coast would. We would be talking about a complete shutdown of the distribution system of food, goods, clothing, office supplies, and hordes of other items necessary for survival and operation of an economy. Raw materials such as steel, lumber, plastics, oil and gasoline. There are several power plants that rely upon trucked coal for most if not all of their supplies. A mass, sustained, coast-to-coast strike would cripple the US.

Thankfully, truckers have both no organization which could support this, nor no cause to do so anyhow. A strike that was complete and lasted for more than two weeks would likely have the President ordering the Army and National Guard to seize the trucks and drive them! I’m not being facetious here.

But you’re correct in that the canard “what would you do without X” is overused and silly to make, as it’s not practical or possible. For that matter, what would you do if every PE like myself refused to sign new designs? Or refused to certify any engineering action? In my State, IIRC, you cannot even dig a ditch under a certian depth without the plan being certified. And…um…you couldn’t build anything…hmm. Couldn’t submit reports to government agencies…couldn’t submit an emissions plan to the EPA…oh. No immediate consequences. Well, maybe I am pretty useless after all…

Let us not forget the manufacturing sector. Or what, JIT ordering is already dead? Christ, that just got sexy in the 90s. We’re back to “keep lots of stock on hand at all times?”

As a cyclist who has to battle automobiles every day I feel a kind of sympathy for drivers who have to battle semis.

In the city, a few careless/awful drivers fail to take due caution and put my life in danger, just as on the highway, a few careless/awful truckers fail to take due caution and put your life in danger. (FTR, truckers in the city scare the daylights out of me. But it was an amateur in cube van that nearly beheaded me this morning. Signal, people, use your bloody turn signal!)

Likewise, in the city a few crazy cyclists put their own life in danger by not taking due caution as re: the cars.

The only other thing I have to say is that my cousin married a trucker and he is clean and drug-free, and the biggest A-hole I ever hope to meet. (I know it’s not relevant. Just wanted to get it off my chest.)

After my post the other day I got to thinking about the OP. And wondering am I the only one who picked some of this stuff up?
Go over this with me

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Ok so we have someone who is driving an official police type vehicle. Got it. Then we get

And if that is not enough hyperbole

At this point the needle on my bullshit detector is starting to quiver. I once owned an ex- cop car (LA County Sheriff’s office to be exact) Anyway this thing was the ugliest shade of orange you have ever seen. NO emergency lights and NO siren. I used to love driving it on the interstate as truckers thinking I was the man would magically move out of my way. I mean I could leave that sucker in the left lane at 80 and truckers ½ mile up would be fighting to get into the right lane so as not to impede my progress.
Yet ** buttonjockey308** would have us believe that not only did the truckers not get out of his way, they tried to:

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[li]slow down to a crawl[/li][li]food wrappers, soda cans, coffee cups, and God help me, what appeared to be soiled men’s under pants. [/li][li]swerved at[/li][li]tailgated[/li][li]forced to slam on my brakes[/li][li]rapidly accellerate [/li][/ul]

Ok these vary from a citation (although in California littering has IIRC $1000 fine) to misdemeanor crimes. Yes reckless driving is a misdemeanor. It is a felony if any bodily injury occurs. A nice CHP officer explained this to me when I was a very frightened 16 yr. old. Who, by the way, only cited me for an illegal lane change, but I got the full lecture. Yet all ** buttonjockey308** did was drive on.
I have two problems with this. First off based on my experience driving an ex- cop car (yeah it had cop tires, cop brakes and a cop engine :smiley: ) If people think that you are a cop they do everything in their power to get out of your way. Truckers were especially nice. Yet Buttonjockey would have us believe that he was somehow transported to the world of the Road Warrior. Secondly I have never seen a member of law enforcement that would let such assaults go without a response. Cop cars have radios. I would assume that they have radios that work on different frequencies so that they can work with other agencies in an emergency (such as a pursuit that goes to a different jurisdiction). But maybe they did not have radios in that car, or they were not on the correct frequency. OK I can buy that, I guess… In the OP Buttonjockey makes clear just how prepared he was for this trip. It would seem to follow that careful preparation would include a cell phone. Many states have a *XXX to dial the Highway Patrol, but in all cases 911 works. Yet Buttonjockey did not make the call. So maybe just maybe careful preparation does not include a cell phone in Buttonjockey’s mind. I guess I can buy that also. But what I cannot fathom is how a member of any law enforcement agency could / would allow criminal conduct such as reckless driving not to go reported. All he would have had to do is pull off at a rest stop or gas station and dropped a dime (actually it’s a free call) and the highway would have been crawling with cops.

I want to type some more, but there is a tickle in my nose

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Bullshit

Then things would take 12 weeks to get delivered. :stuck_out_tongue: