In which Miller oversteps his bounds...

Okay, I’ll give you points on that one. Nice. :smiley:

[Inigo Montoya]That post you keep bringing up? It does not mean what you think that it means. [/Inigo Montoya] :smiley:

If by “act up” you mean “responds in kind”, then I plead guilty as charged.

I’m perfectly happy to post in a polite and civil style. That’s how I always am away from this board. But if you want to post beligerent, insulting or dishonest things about me or people who think as I do, then you can expect the same in return.

I’m also happy to engage in a slugfest with whoever wants one for as long as it takes. The only time I defend my posting behavior is in response to other posters complaining about it or seeking to have me censored, at which time it’s perfectly appropriate.

Fair enough.

Let me just catch up on the rest of the thread real quick before I get back to you. Should just take a sec.

So, basically what you have already said. Got it.

Glad YOU did.

[Moderating]
This sort of remark is too personal for ATMB. Dial it back some.
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Yassuh.

Well… there really aren’t many or any more intelligent political message boards with a decent number of posters on the internet[sup]1[/sup]: “Fighting ignorance” gives this board focus and permission to apply fundamental principles of rhetoric and reason.

Anyway, methinks the coping strategies have sharpened your argumentation, which I suspect we agree is a good thing, setting aside the additional effort involved.

We are all snowflakes, but some of us are flakier than others

I can’t let this by. With respect SA, that pair are on a higher level than most posters. They receive a lot of flack, but it’s a different type of flack than the kind you receive.
[sup]1[/sup]Of course some of the satellite boards are worth a look.

No offense taken at all. Both of those guys are very smart and they spend a lot of time delving into things, and by all rights they should be getting a different type of flack than they do. But if you will take the time to do some searching, I think you’ll find that is hardly a name that I’ve been called that they haven’t been called, and that their intelligence hasn’t been insulted in very much the same way mine and the other conservative posters to this board have. The reason that this is so is that to the liberal crowd, anyone who hasn’t already fallen into lockstep with their beliefs and attitudes is simply stupid or an asshole. That’s it. You’ve either got to be stupid or evil to think differently than a liberal, and I’ve seen this attitude expressed via various public venues hundreds if not thousands of times over the last forty-five years, though of course the practice goes back much further than that; William F. Buckley was writing about it in the early fifties and it was going on in academia at the turn of the century. Still, it’s mostly been in the last forty-five years that this arrogant practice has found its way into everyday life. So all Sam and Bricker have to do is express a non-liberal opinion and they’re immediately dismissed as idiots and assholes, labels I’ve seen applied to both at one time or another.

Still, you’re right. Bricker and Sam do come in for a different type of treatment than I do, but I think I may be a tad more…okay, a lot more…confrontational than they are, and it isn’t much of a reach to see why I therefore come in for a lot more abuse. So far as I know I’m pretty much the only poster on this board who’s willing to get right in their face and lay the consequences of their beliefs and influence right at their feet. To people who go through their lives thinking they are - if I may borrow your term - special ‘snowflakes’ spreading goodness and light throughout the world, being told they are responsible for fucking up a country and millions of lost lives since they rose to prominence is somewhat shocking and not something they are likely to take lightly as it fucks with their entire world view and their view of themselves. Thus I come in for a hell of a lot of abuse, and I understand and accept that. So there really isn’t any reason to compare the treatment Sam and Bricker come in for compared with the treatment I get in terms of widespread animus, but the fact that they come in for the insults and name-calling they do get shows that taking the tactful, considerate line of opposition around here still brings on a rash of shit from the self-professed liberal cognoscenti that dominates this board.

This is – um – ahh – basically incorrect. The fact that you believe you can compare yourself to Bricker, Sam, and even William F. Buckley is – um – ahh – special.

Bricker and Sam make (usually) rational arguments, back them with cites, and are (frequently) responded to with equally rational arguments and additional cites. Sometimes the facts and even their own cites are against them, and they are treated to some deserved derision. Sometimes their arguments and the facts they offer in support are more persuasive and they score points of their own. Of course, I doubt that many of us liberals have been converted to conservatism by their arguments any more than they themselves have been enlightened into liberalism :smiley: by ours. However, although Bricker and Sam remain ardently conservative, their interaction with this on-line community is different in kind, not simply in degree, from your own.

In contrast to those gentlemen you offer precious little in the way of factual evidence. (I would say “none” but there must be an exception somewhere.) You repeat yourself and your personal anecdotes endlessly, apparently believing that they then constitute evidence. And you always and everlastingly find it necessary to rant again and again and again the central tenet of your world view, that liberals “are responsible for fucking up a country and millions of lost lives since they rose to prominence”. You do this no matter what the subject of the thread actually is, just as you have done here. Recall that this thread was about moderation; it is after all your own OP. But again you have hijacked a thread, this time your own thread, into yet another butt-hurt “everybody is hateful to me, and it’s because I’m a conservative, and all liberals want to suppress the voice of truth so they can continue to destroy the world” diatribe. Just like you did in the thread in question.

Puh-LEESE!! Miller’s admonition to you was spot on point, as would be a similar admonition here.

Heh. “I accuse the membership of this board of accessory to homicide in dozens of posts, yet I can’t imagine why people here treat me with contempt”. Yeah, right.

Question for the reader’s consideration: how is accusing liberals of being responsible for millions of deaths not hate speech? I’m genuinely curious.

But he does it politely.

Gosh this thread is hard on the eyes. It is the board equivalent of watching k.d. lang.

Is the truth of the statement and adequate defense, like for libel? :wink:

Do you understand the concept of Issue A having a bearing on Issue B?

Or did you watch the OJ trial and wonder what all these hijacks about blood spatter and racist cops was about? “We’re discussing a murder here”.

If only.

Only 3 more days o’ bumping before this thread becomes another SDMB Seven-day’s Wonder.

Thank you ever so much for your truly enlightening analogy.

The next time I see a dozen iterations of SA’s signature “everybody is hateful to me, and it’s because I’m a conservative, and all liberals want to suppress the voice of truth so they can continue to destroy the world” rant inserted irrelevantly into some completely innocent thread, I’ll be sure to recall your post. Fondly.

You can do that if you’d like, in those hypothetical future threads. The analogy may or may not be relevant in those threads, of course, but have at it.

But it’s definitely relevant in this thread. So you can begin thinking about it now.

Thought about it. Gave it all the consideration it deserved. Rejected it.

<yawn>

Next?

Well, as Dorothy Parker once said