(Lovin’ the Lieu!)
No way that a inmate cound get a tatoo gun into the cell without inside help, also the transfer to the same wing makes me think the prison has to investagte who allowed (and supported) this to happen.
People keep talking about the guy who got tattooed. Poor thing. Oh how sad that a child raping killer had someone hold him down and tattooed on his forehead a true victim’s impact statement. Do you really think he is going to turn his life around and become a healthy wholesome member of society? This isn’t a made for TV movie. He isn’t going to find the sympathetic shrink who will help him conquer the demons of his past and then never do it again and fight for the oppressed and abused. If he ever got released the chances of him doing it again are pretty damn good :
These are the known cases that wound up in the legal system. Because of the shame in sex crimes, there may be many more that are not reported and thus the numbers might not be an accurate representation.
I’m supposed to feel bad for him? I’m supposed to lose sleep over what happens to this piece of excrement? I hurt for Katie’s family. I ache for them and the pain they feel every day, every holiday, birthday, family gathering, family dinner. I can’t even begin to understand the torture they go through when they look at a picture of their beautiful little girl and think about her killer still alive in prison.
To all of you who are outraged at the picture of the prisoner who was tattooed, I want you to look at a different picture . Look at the face of this little girl. Think about her last hours on earth at the mercy of Anthony Ray Stockelman. Think about him abducting her, brutally raping her, killing her and then throwing her body away like a used Kleenex. Think about how she must have cried and begged for mercy.
Now think about Anthony Ray Stockelman alive in prison with “three hots and a cot” for the rest of his life. He’s a marked man, literally. But he is alive.
I wouldn’t piss on him if his hair was on fire.
People have been making homemade tattoo guns for years. You can find the directions all over the web. It doesn’t take much skill or material. A few supplies scrounged around the prison and voila you are now an artiste! It doesn’t require a conspiracy to do.
As a quick note, the Google ads now show Proven Animal Repellants and “Got an Aggressive Dog?” Yup. He should be neutered, too.
Needle.
Thread.
India Ink. Or, from the looks of that tattoo, ball-point pen ink in blue.
No gun needed, though it will take a while.
The guy who lived across the street from me was shot by the police a couple of years back. First police shooting of a civilian in the city’s history, IIRC. It was a domestic abuse call, the guy in question was really drunk and tried to get a knife off the counter, “a struggle ensued” as they say, and one cop’s partner shot my neighbor to prevent him from getting his partner’s gun out of the holster.
I wasn’t very good friends with the neighbor, since as I mention he seemed to have a problem with alcohol and was not apparently real bright even when he was sober.
The guy’s oldest son got a tattoo to commemorate the incident -
“In Memmory of My Dad”
Yes, that’s how it appears. No spell-checker on the tattoo needle, apparently. Seems appropriate, somehow.
Regards,
Shodan
Um, why? A human being should want to kill themselves after doing what this guy did. (Of course, a human being wouldn’t have committed the crime in the first place.) Why should anyone care if this guy commits suicide? It’d be the only decent thing he’s ever done.
I can see valid reasons to stop prisoner on prisoner violence, but I’m with the people cheering/giggling from the sidelines. I only think that the girl’s cousin should have written something less ambiguous–“I Raped a Child.” I also hope that if I am ever in a similar situation I will have the hypothetical balls to do what the cousin did.
Actually, yes.
I think many pre-modern punishments such as branding, whipping and the like are preferable to, and indeed more humane than, lengthy terms of imprisonment. Branding someone on their body (the face is cruel and excessive) still leaves them free to reform and become productive members of society if they so choose. Lengthy terms of imprisonment essentially serve to brand them mentally, and make them less likely to reintegrate.
Apparently **furt ** is channeling Mencken today:
"There were jails, of course, from the earliest times, but they were used mainly to detain persons accused of crime until their guilt could be determined. Once they were found guilty they were not commonly returned to durance, but punished forthwith, either by death, by exile, by fine, or by some form of corporal suffering. Prisons were set up by philanthropists eager to do away with these ancient cruelties, but what they mainly accomplished was to make cruelty more facile. The very fact that they were regarded as humane suggested longer and longer sentences, and so today, at least in the United States, it is common for men to be locked up for years for crimes which, in a more innocent day, would have been punished by some such triviality as branding on the hand, a few hours in the pillory, a good cowhiding, or the loss of an ear. "- HL Mencken as published in “The Liberty”
He pleaded guilty. Chances are fairly good you can assume guilt.
I’m thinking karmic retribution is a pretty good way to describe it.
I don’t think I sacrifice my humanity not feeling bad for a child rapist and murderer. He proved he wasn’t human when he committed the crime. I feel more sympathy for dogs.
The same things that prevent me from supporting the death penalty prevent me from any ounce of support for this tattooing. There is no assurance of guilt. There is no deterrent effect. There is no nobility in saying, “Oh you can be vicious and bloodthirsty, so long as you direct it against person X instead of person Y.” Doing horrible things to people isn’t suddenly okay if they’re nasty people.
Interesting. Actually, I was most influenced by a course on 17th and 18th century crime literature (Moll Flanders, Beggar’s Opera, etc.), and the attendant non-fiction regarding the evolution of our current system.
In a nutshell, the entire concept of the prison system was founded on a highly questionable set of proto-psychological notions about the ability to shape and “reform” men’s souls. Michel Foucault is an absolute ass on many issues, but I was impressed with Discipline and Punish
I find it hard to argue for the rapists position.
I would prefer if we just killed these men than slowly drive them to suicide, but you won’t get any argument from me if driving them to suicide became the de facto punishment.
Maybe society and the rule of law can tolerate a little bit of vigilante justice at the fringes but even then it has to be condemned. No matter how much we would personally applaud the results, we must take issue with the process.
Please prove that there is no deterrent effect.
My stance on the death penalty has always been that a society cannot risk killing an innocent man merely for the sake of satisfying societal bloodlust for revenge, mistakes have happened in the past and there is every reason to believe they will continue to happen in the future. There has to be some other beneficial aspect to killing a convicted criminal and the only rationale that makes any sense to me is that there is some sort of deterrent effect (if you can prevent ten murders by executing a convicted murderer, then you’ve got yourself a good argument). I have worked in criminal justice and there is every indication that the death penalty would prevent murders in prison, every assistant district attorney I know thinks that there is at least SOME deterrent effect to the death penalty, there is at least some objective evidence that there is a proportional relationship between the level of punishment for a particular crime and deterrence. However, its still unclear how much weight there is on either side of the balance.
There are parts of this you might could talk me into, especially for younger and inexperienced offenders. In conjunction with temporary public humiliation (mentioned above somewhere), some type of non-permanent corporal punishment could make a difference.
That said, the fact that the guy in this thread is despicable scum does not relieve me of my responsibility to treat him ethically and humanely, nor does it relieve the justice system, as my agent, of its responsibility to do the same. The system is not to provide vengeance, revenge, or to assuage bloodlust, it is to provide justice. The guy will never see the light of day again. That’s justice. For him to be mistreated by either prison management or his fellow inmates or both is not justice. Obviously, others mileage does vary. I regret that.
For those of you who didn’t RTFA, the girl was 10, not 12.
Eh, I’m with the majority here: It’s horrible, but it could have been worse and I just can’t summon up much outrage.
That said, some people’s efforts to dehumanise these criminals is pretty depressing. They’re not monsters, they’re just… broken people, and there but for the grace of God go I, you and everyone else. I simply cannot imagine having powerful, sexual urges regarding children but I do not doubt that such urges exist.
There’s certainly no excuse for acting on such impulses, but - like almost everything else - there are shades of grey and mitigating circumstances.
By all means, lock them up forever, kill them if you must, but simple dismissal seems to be born only of bloodlust and superiority. My sympathy will always be first and foremost with the victim, but - depending on the situation - I can still summon up some for the poor, twisted bastards who feel compelled to perpetrate such horrors.
I agree. Someone said that committing suicide would be the only decent thing this guy had ever done. Give me a fucking break. This guy could’ve been a SAINT a few years ago for all we know. The fact is we don’t know. I have an uncle who was literally an Eagle Scout and served 2 terms in US Navy before doing 18 years in federal maximum security prison for a laundry list of crimes including murder.
There but for the grace of god go all of us, indeed.
I just came back to make it clear that I do not sympathise with this guy at all but that I can’t really support vigilante justice in any situation because of the fact that the people enacting this justice don’t report to a higher authority. There is no real boundary for the inflicted punishment or making it fit the crime.
If I could make a punishment to fit the crime committed by the tattooed, I’d make sure he suffered, but then again, I don’t believe in and can’t support harming another human for my own satisfaction. Which is why this guy thoroughly disgusts me and why I’m suffering from a conflict of interest - I want to eviscerate him completely but the thought of hurting someone else gives me chills.
While it was a gentle punishment for his crime in the context of him already being in prison, having it metted out by another prisoner doesn’t sit right with me. That said, I can totally understand why this guy did it and in his situation, I’m not sure I’d have the same amount of self-control.