Could be, I suppose. Cubs are in the Series.
We do not support board wars.
We will not attempt to control who posts what anywhere on the internet,
HOWEVER, anyone who goes to that or a similar site and announces that they are from the SDMB and that a bunch of cool, smart people on the SDMB will drub members of that site in any debate will be considered for banning.
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It’s been going on a lot longer than you think.
“Here the big battles were being fought-against revised versions of the Bible, fluoridation, dirty books on school library shelves. The people of Garden Grove cared enough about the future of their country to pass an ordinance prohibiting the sale of UNICEF Christmas cards. At PTA and school board meetings in a dozen communities, women had the courage to stand up and reveal how Democrats were building barbed-wire stockades in Alaska to imprison all conservatives.” The Last Days of the Late Great State of California-Curt Gentry-1968
Regrettably this kind of “thinking” is no longer confined to Orange Co. CA and a few other pockets of the country but has proliferated nation-wide. While there are serious issues at stake people are casting ballots based on pure hokum. Sad.
Yes, much the same way food safety regulations take away your right to eat.
It’s funny to see complaining about Trump supporters, yet still supporting universal suffrage.
You don’t think the idiots deserve a voice?
The evidence is growing that universal suffrage leads to mobocracy.
The election we are witnessing now is exhibit ‘A’.
Bolding mine.
I totally agree with Sterling Archer here. People like this may have drab, dull, powerless lives, and this gives them something to feel superior about.
Can you expand on this? Are you saying it’s incompatible to criticize Trump supporters and also support universal suffrage? Without clarification, your comment just seems like a random non-sequitur.
Man, this has happened to me more times than I care to remember. Like dude… if you’re sure this is already real, don’t f’ing ask me to critique it.
I’m OK with people being a bunch of self-misinformed dumbdongs, but do not pretend to have a flash of self-doubt and then snatch it back from the jaws of enlightenment.
Actually, there is no factual basis for this claim.
Despite their portrayal in many Left leaning proclamations, (typically based on blogs, not in news services), Trump supporters seem to be both wealthier and better educated than anyone who would generally be excluded based on property ownership or education. And removing women’s suffrage would help, not hinder, Trump.
The Trump supporters do not appear to be the poorest or least educated, but those who are actually sufficiently well off to buy into the propaganda of those who present a picture of white privilege being stripped away by people of color or their wealth being stripped by an imaginary socialism that is not genuinely proposed by any American politician.
Um… the whole point of the US not being a direct democracy since it’s founding is evidence that this is a not a new idea.
On NPR today they were talking about how the median income of a Trump supporter is greater than the median of the US and that of Clinton’s supporters. And that the median education level was greater than that of the median US. I wonder why the left is so quick to disparage their opponents as being dumb and poor when the facts say otherwise?
For the same reason that the Right is quick to disparage their opponents as being anti-family when the evidence shows that Right wing laws and Red states have far more antipathy to families.
It fits with the propaganda that both sides have built up.
Another factor is that the GOP’s electoral heartland is the South and lesser populated Midwestern states. The old stereotype of people, particularly white men, in many of those areas is someone in the mold of Gomer Pyle.
Because it’s more comfortable to regard your opponents as misled, disadvantaged rubes than malevolent white supremacists who know exactly what they’re doing. Next question.
Not only more comfortable. More charitable.
I don’t think my intent in posting that was to start a board war. I’m not even sure what you mean by board war?
Reason for posting was… I see people here speculating that maybe the Turmp followers are like this… or maybe they are like that… People are trying in to figure them out. I think you can’t really figure them out until you engage with them. See their reactions to what they see, what they read.
Trumpsters:
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One of the things you will see if you go there is, they would rather believe in the conspiracy theory version of everything. The actual facts, the real news, is much more boring than believing that Hillary Clinton has Robot parts and a Brain Tumour.
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They never look for the truth, dig deeper. The watch a O’Keefe video and don not question whether it is real or not, even when told he has been convicted for making fraudulent videos before.
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Even though many are older, they lived through the Bush administration, they will still argue that Obama started Isis, created Isis, until they are blue in the face.
I think they are really have this
http://vaticproject.blogspot.co.nz/2016/10/the-psychology-behind-donald-trumps.htmlTheory in psychology that explains your brain:
1. The Dunning-Kruger Effect
Some believe that many of those who support Donald Trump do so because of ignorance — basically they are under-informed or misinformed about the issues at hand.
The seemingly obvious solution would be to try to reach those people through, expert opinions, and logical arguments that educate with facts. Except none of those things seem to be swaying any Trump supporters from his side, despite great efforts to deliver this information to them directly.
The Dunning-Kruger effect explains that the problem isn’t just that they are misinformed; it’s that they are completely unaware that they are misinformed. This creates a double burden.
As psychologist David Dunning puts, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” Essentially, they’re not smart enough to realize they’re dumb.
And if one is under the illusion that they have sufficient or even superior knowledge, then they have no reason to defer to anyone else’s judgment. This helps explain why even nonpartisan experts — like military generals and Independent former Mayor of New York/billionaire CEO Michael Bloomberg — as well as some respected Republican politicians, don’t seem to be able to say anything that can change the minds of loyal Trump followers.
Out of immense frustration, some of us may feel the urge to shake a Trump supporter and say, “Hey! Don’t you realize that he’s an idiot?!” No. They don’t. That may be hard to fathom, but that’s the nature of the Dunning-Kruger effect — one’s ignorance is completely invisible to them.
It may make you feel superior to consider them that way but we may do better dealing with this large population of Americans if we actually think about belief systems with a little bit more sophistication.
Just read an interesting bit on it in Science actually. Not specifically about gun confiscation beliefs but in the more abstract: “Why I know but don’t believe”. It is not simple ignorance.
Subpopulations of Americans have core beliefs that are tied together and supported by their social systems. Information that would be solid enough to convince someone that an isolated belief is incorrect has no chance when changing that belief would also undermine the support for a whole host of other beliefs that they feel certain of, some of which are key parts of their social structures.
Not ignorance but hanging onto a belief in the face of new information because of belief and social network interdependence and how such existing interdependent networks of beliefs and social structures create active processes that filter out that which may conflict with them, is resistant to them, and looks for information that confirms the extant beliefs network.
Exactly this.
This is what happens when people are not accountable. They spew mad predictions like this, and then they don’t happen, and then… they spew them again for the next election, without the slightest consequence from their audience for being wrong.