Insurance advice needed, totaled car with lots of aftermarket performance parts.

My car was recently totaled, the other driver was at fault. Since I have comprehensive my insurance company is paying me and then going to get the money from the other drivers insurance company. The value of my car is ~$5400, however I have also added nearly $4000 in performance parts over the past 3 years and I have receipts for almost all of them.

My insurance company tells me they will not pay for any of my after market parts and neither will the other insurance company. Now what? Do I sue my insurance Co? The other drivers Ins? Anything I can do to convince them to pay me without suing? I would even settle for less than the whole amount if it meant getting the money sooner.

By the way, I am in Massachusetts.

Does your policy explain how the company will determine the value of your car?

I got nuthin’. Some years ago our 1969 Pontiac was damaged in an accident – just the rear panel and bumper. The insurance company wanted to total it because the car was so old. I think the book value at the time was $400 and it would cost more than that to repair it.

We proved to them that the car had less than 40,000 actual miles on it (sales receipt) and was in mint condition (photos), and worth fixing. They caved.

It might be worth talking to an attorney about it.

I am not a lawyer, or an insurance agent.

When my friends have gotten work done on their cars, once it gets to the point where replacing stuff would be expensive (usually adding rims, or a serious stereo), they add a rider to their insurance.

The rider costs a little bit more, but it covers the aftermarket items.

One of my guys had installed by hand a Turbo in his Integra. Less than 3 months later the car was stolen. He hadn’t updated his insurance rider, so while they covered the wheels, stereo, and value of certain items, they didn’t cover the turbo. His own fault, he fully admits that.

So if you don’t have additional coverage, neither insurance agency is liable for the coverage of anything more than market value of your car in stock condition.

I live in California, your laws may vary, void where prohibited, my advice is not for everyone, consult your doctor, erections that last longer than 4 hours should be bragged about…

(Insurance laws and policy language varies from state to state, etc.)

Commonly for the total loss of a vehicle you are owed the Fair Market Value (FMV) of the car. Meaning, if you had decided to sell it the day before the accident, how much could you have gotten? Normally this is easily enough determined by looking at current prices for comparable vehicles in your local area.

Aftermarket specialty items and the effect they have on the FMV of your car depend on a number of things such as what kind of car is it? Which parts you’ve replaced, how long ago, what “performance” is gained over the original equipment, and most importantly: how did your changes improve the overall desirability of the car in the regular market (as opposed to the “Cavalier on steroids fetishists of America” cult). In a lot of cases, the answer is that the net effect of your efforts was to create a machine that suited your need and preferences, but not necessarily those of the public at large. Harley Davidson motorcycles are a classic example of this. Few of these hit the road exactly as they were manufactured–the owners like to customize them and make the bike uniquely their own. Well, you can spnd thousands of dollars on the paint job, chrome package and pipes YOU like, but when it’s time to sell you either need to find your clone to buy it, or you’ll need to understand that what turns your crank doesn’t necessarily do it for someone else. Cars are the same way to some extent. You can take a $2,000 Civic and pump all the money you want into paint, spinner rims, rice cannon exhaust, titanium shift knobs, nitrous boosters, octane-reading fuel gauges, concert-replicating stereo gear…but still, it’s a $2,000 Civic. OK, maybe a $2,500 Civic. Because cars that are that highly individualized are going to be a turn off to most of the rest of the world apart from thieves. And even THEY will take it apart and sell the pieces.

But back to the question at hand: What’d ya do? Did you replace existing functional equipment with slightly better functioning equipment? A 1990 Mustang GT comes with an engine, replacing it with a brand new one for $8,000 doesn’t make it THAT much better than any other 1990 GT, it just means that the engine is in new condition–and that’s worth something to a potential buyer, but nowhere near $8k.

Your best bet here is to step away from your car for a second (This is a lot harder than it sounds) and approach your car as a buyer. How much would YOU pay for it? Be critical–how much are you going to care about a 3-year old exhaust system? Ceramic brake pads that have already seen 20k miles? Is it a hot-looking car? If so, do you think the previous owner drove it like it was precious? or did he drive it like it was a hot car? In which case, what do you think is left of the modifications? Maybe the owner has worn them out–or maybe worn other less obvious parts. Maybe the rear end is ready to fail because it’s not rated for the output of the high-end engine? All that.

If in the end you look at the $5,000 that the insurance is offering you, and you can’t buy anything comparable to the car you had, then you need to be able to explain to a disinterested 3rd party what a reasonable settlement would be. If you can do that then you’ve got a case. If it looks like you’ve got a case, then the suit would be directed at the party that hit your car. You name that person directly in a suit. Defense will be provided by his insurer. They will support their offer to the judge, you will present your argument to the judge, and a binding decision will be rendered.

What kind of car and what kind of mods are we talking about?

I’m an insurance agent in New York State. In NY the at-fault driver’s insurance pays for your repairs in the event of a collision.

From here.

In NY when we insure a vehicle with comprehensive or collision we must do a photo inspection. All extra/special equipment is noted on the inspection form so that in the event of a claim, a more accurate value can be assigned to the vehicle.

Do you recall if you had one of these inspections done?

98 Nissan Maxima, Aftermarket springs, struts/shocks, Sub Frame Braces. Exhaust Work, Underdrive Pulley, Strut tower bars, Rear Sway Bar, Some replacement lights and misc cosmetic stuff.

I don’t care what its market value is/was, I would rather have my car back, sombody else caused it to be destroyed.

So if somebody has a custom made suit that cost $1000 and I wreck it I owe him nothing since a suite custom made for him is worthless to anyone else?

Yes, you want your car to not have been smashed, and I wish my father had not been slaughtered by a six-fingered man. But as neither of us has the ability to undo the past all we can do is address the civil aspects of the situation and compensate monetarily for the property that was damaged. Trust me, I know this can be an extremely upsetting event. Most people don’t like to buy a car even when they have total control of the situation, and it really sucks to have had your mind on everything else your life involves, thoughts of replacing your car being adequately addressed for the long term. So now, whether you like it or not, you need to care what its market value is/was. You can best do this by adopting as detached a stance as you can and asking yourself what you would pay someone for your car.

If you torch my $1,000 suit which has been fairly regularly worn for the last 3 years, do you think you’d owe me $1,000 or possibly less because it’s no longer new? Besides, suits are not cars. Few cars are designed to be compatable with a single driver. Therefore there is a very limited used-suit market.

Absolutely. I had my car broken into in the parking garage of my apartment building. I ended up coming out ahead financially ( insurance settlement + trade-in value of damaged car > trade-in value of repaired car would have been ) and ended up getting a car I like much better than I liked my old car. But I still wish my old car hadn’t been broken into.