It is a nice attempt to put Cheney in the same light as ranking Nazi members, but Cheney isn’t a member of the Nazi party, who by the end of WWII where universally despised by even the German people.
Cheney is a highly respected member of the Republican party, last I checked a good portion on the country still supports them.
By all means continue on the crusade to bring the man to justice, but don’t sit back believing it is a good political decision to do so.
Define what made the Nazis “evil”. Tell me why Cheney is, at the root of it, different.
I am sure there were “highly respected members” of the Nazi party too (or National Socialist German Workers’ Party if you prefer). So what?
Cheney, in his own words, was peachy about waterboarding. Waterboarding is torture. He broke international and US law on that count alone. He demeaned an entire country.
That is just one issue of his. We could go on but this thread is not about that. Just do not pretend that somehow being a “respected member of the Republican party” means anything (woudn’t mean anything if you substituted “Democratic party” there either).
Although nothing would give me more pleasure than seeing Cheney in an orange prison jumpsuit having a noose tightened around his neck, the old bastard probably won’t live to see 2012 as it is. I say let him die in peace. There are times when you can be in the right and look like a prick by pursuing it, this is one of those times.
Well he is a treasonous jackass who should litter be forced to eat shit for the damage he willing selfishly did to the country to make himself richer and advanced his goals.
Quite frankly you must be extremely ignorant or biased to the point of treason to not see what an asshole Chaney and any traitor or fool who supported him is.
BobLibDem, I don’t know if there’s an after life after this one, and if there is may his be extra warm variety, but just in case there isn’t I want his last years to be hell on earth filled with torment and soul crushing regret for the traitor.
I agree, but you have to ask yourself: would pursuing justice against Cheney help or hurt the country and the world? I can see where it might cause enough backlash to tip the scales of the next election to someone just as repulsive. Add to that his age and poor health and the benefit/risk ratio of prosecuting Cheney becomes minuscule.
Crimes need to be punished…particularly crimes of his caliber.
There is a distinct lack of accountability in the US. That should change and not hinge on age or health.
So what if the echo chamber on the right cries foul? They are crying foul at pretty much anything these days anyway. The people who will see it as a “hit job” are the whacked out right anyway and not prosecuting Cheney won’t mollify them and hard for them to get more extreme as is.
So, may as well send the fucker up the river if it could be managed (which I am almost sure it never will be).
That just made my day 
It’s funny, though, that no actual crimes have been put forth against the man. Unless you think that this farce of bribery charges in Nigeria constitute actual crimes? I assume you mean all the wolf cry crimes we’ve been hearing the left breathlessly expound about for the last decade, right? Well…were is the beef? Democrats controlled the house, senate and the presidency. So…where is the evidence?
We have this thing called ‘due process’ here…perhaps that’s a problem? Granted, his health shouldn’t be a factor…completely agree. I seriously doubt that if there was real evidence of actual crimes that the Dems would simply let it go because Cheney is old and sick, however…which, using my own Occam’s Razor seems to indicate that no such evidence exists. That isn’t to say that he didn’t commit any crimes, but that there is no evidence that he did…which means, in our system, that he’s innocent until proven guilty of something. Right?
The irony of this is pretty much off the scale. It’s also one of the funniest things I’ve read today, so I thank you for that at least.
The people who see this as a ‘hit job’ do so because, you know, the left has yet to substantiate a frigging thing that they have been yammering about for over a decade, despite the fact that the Dems have been in full control for several years now. Not a single scrap of these ‘crimes’ has come out. Again…where is the beef? I have zero problem with prosecuting Cheney, Bush or any of the merry men for actual crimes committed during their reign. Send em up the river. Give them the maximum sentences humanly available.
First, however, the left is going to need some of that evidence stuff. Otherwise it’s the same old bitching and moaning we’ve all been hearing for years, with no substance.
Are you talking about the OP and the charges by the snicker ‘Nigerian anti-corruption agency’, our your fantasy charges with no substance? Or do you think we should simply send him up the river on the assumption of guilt because some folks on the left hate his guts?
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While I believe those who authorized the waterboarding of detainees should be prosecuted, you kind of need to step back for a minute if you think it rises to the level of incinerating millions of Jews and gays and gypsies and so on.
The naivete is strong with this one.
It was simply an example and not an attempt to Godwinize the thread.
For example a guy who beats his wife is not (necessarily) a Nazi.
There are lots of kinds of evil in the world. I do not think Cheney is a Nazi but I think he is evil (and I say that with no hyperbole).
Point being it is right and proper to bust people for wrongdoing when it is found. That our elected representatives (among others) have arranged things to give themselves legal cover does not change the sentiment.
Well, that was in 2008. What have you done for me lately?
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Huh?
Most of the whole thing was stonewalled back then. What else do you expect to be done?
The Bush administration asked the Justice Department for a legal rationale to waterboard. When they did not get what they wanted they found other lawyers in the DoJ who would. Voila…legal cover (same as asking a cop if you can skateboard in a park and then not get arrested for skateboarding in the park…not sure of the legal term for this).
So were the lawyers wrong? Well, that has been looked into more recently.
Await your next dodge.
MY next dodge?? The Dems have had control of both houses since 2006. They have had the presidency since 2009. Are you implying that the Republicans can continue to stonewall, and that Bush can continue to block all efforts at justice years after they and he have been unable to wield any power? That Bush et al’s ‘legal rationale to waterboard’ is cast in concrete for all time, inviolate due to…what? Their vast evil power lingering for all time like an evil fog?
While you might have had some sort of point in 2008 about Bush/Cheney’s ‘illegal’ actions being covered up by the Republicans, that was then and this is now…and yet, I see zero difference. I see zero movement on bringing the supposed criminals to justice. All I DO see is the same yammering from the left about these supposedly illegal acts, and a lot of handwaving. Basically, if Bush et al could get away with doing the level of illegal acts such that even today, after the Dems take over, they are still untouchable, then all I can say is our system is completely broken, because that means the Dems are in on it too. And terms like ‘illegal’ have no real meaning anymore.
Regardless, the subject of THIS thread is Cheney’s supposed illegal acts in Nigeria. Do you have anything to add to that subject? I seriously doubt we are going to see eye to eye on the hijack since you obviously have a hard on to have Cheney thrown into jail regardless of a burden of proof, and frankly I don’t give a shit and am just tired of hearing this same song and dance. What are your thoughts on Nigeria issuing arrest warrants for Cheney (and the others)? Would you be happy to see him turned over to the Nigerian’s for ‘justice’ on this? What do you suppose they would do to him, if they got him? Do you suppose he’d do hard time?
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Oh come on. At most, the Democrats had 60 votes in the Senate. With 40 Republicans in lock-step opposition to every proposal, any legislation that is objectionable to the most conservative Democratic member was doomed to failure.
Oh come now yourself. Even when the Pubs held both houses they never had that much of an advantage…and by 2008 they didn’t have any at all. Are you sitting there telling me that the Pubs could control the government stronger with less numbers than the Dems can with more?? :dubious:
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Yes, because the Dems are weak and won’t force the filibuster issue.
Then ‘illegal’ has no meaning, since there will never be any opportunity to try the issue and determine guilt or innocence. And you people (and myself, since I voted for Obama) were/are fools to vote Democrat.
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Administrations do not want to get into the business of witch hunting on the previous administration because sooner or later someone will come after them.
Nevertheless, Cheney admitted to (your words) “supposedly illegal acts”.
Now the only question is whether waterboarding is torture and illegal. You may be content with the tortured (pun intended) legal contortions they did to render it “ok” but apparently you are one of the few who does not see the legal twists they made as self serving and unethical.
In the past, in the US, waterboarding has been deemed torture and people were prosecuted for it. In your world it is fine when Cheney ok’s it though.
I addressed the OP in post #6. Your proof I just handed to you…Cheney admits to authorizing waterboarding. Waterboarding has only been “legal” since Cheney & Co. got the DoJ to wave a magic wand and make it so.
So yeah, I’d say the system is severely broken.
Absolutely. Republicans view every non-unanimous vote as a sign of weakness. Their political range is from ultra super duper right wing to ultra super right wing. They will vote as a block every single time. Democrats can do less with more numbers because they tolerate dissent within the party.