do you have proof of this? seriously. Do you have proof that people in Quebec give a rats fucking ass about sikhs.
and FYI, FIFA did not sanction the turbans. This is still under consideration. As I suggested earlier there are issues that affect what can be worn and what colors can be worn.
cite: FIFA responded that the head coverings are allowed — on a trial basis for the time being.
FIFA said in a statement it is temporarily authorizing the wearing of male head covers at all levels of Canadian soccer, effectively applying a 2012 ruling that allowed specially designed hijabs for women.
The issue will be discussed further in October by the International Football Association Board (IFAB), which determines the rules of the game, and a final decision is expected in March 2014.
So I think the hate train needs to back up a bit and look at the facts.
That isn’t how a free country works. If you want to prevent someone from dong something they want to do that harms no one, it’s up to YOU to provide a reason why.
You’ve provided no reasons why, unsurprisingly. You should go work for the QSF.
I asked you for a cite. It’s a simple process. You made assumptions without any basis other than your preconceived opinion about people you never met. I gave solid reasons WHY large head coverings wouldn’t be appropriate gear for soccer. It’s a reasonable premise to consider.
Yes, I did. I posted pictures of what would affect other players and what wouldn’t. And as I also cited, FIFA has not sanctioned everything under the sun to be worn while playing soccer.
No, you gave contrived reasons why head coverings might be inappropriate, like “player recognition”. If you think that’s a solid reason, I can only assume you’ve never seen the sport played.
No, I didn’t say head coverings might be inappropriate, I said LARGE head coverings would be inappropriate as well as anything with metal on it. and as far as colors are concerned you can’t have non-matching colors on the field and that’s mentioned in the same cite I gave: “Yesterday, the federation said it welcomed “with enthusiasm and relief” word from FIFA that turbans may be worn as long as they pose no safety issues and are the same colour as team jerseys.”
And I played soccer all through my youth up to and including college.
and AGAIN, FIFA is not sanctioning them. They are reviewing them. Does that mean FIFA hates Sikhs?
Kudos to the Quebec kids who borrowed turbans and insisted on playing while wearing them, to the Ontario Soccer Association that cancelled team travel permits for teams visiting Quebec tournies, to the Canadian Soccer Association that banned Quebec teams from playing inter-provincially and internationally, and to FIFA for pointing out that turbans are not prohibited. Through these collective efforts, the Quebec Soccer Federation has changed its tune.
Shame on the Quebec Soccer Federation for promoting such bigotry, and in particular, shame on Parti Québecois Premier Pauline Marois for complaining about the rest of Canada’s position on such bigotry.
are you stating that there is no head gear that would be inappropriate for soccer? You can’t understand that a large turban would block the vision of an opposing player? You’ve never played defense on a corner kick.
AGAIN according to the cite I gave it is under consideration. There is a temporary waiver while they look at the matter. Are they stupid?
are you referring to the kids in this article? We wore those in the 70’s playing soccer. That doesn’t block anybody’s view (affects opponents) or disrupt the ability to head the ball which is something a coach (or league owner) would be concerned with.
Her participation in the debate made me wonder if the issue was more political than safety-related. We heard nothing from Ottawa politicians, nor from Ontario politicians (Ontario’s soccer federation refused to send teams to Quebec for a tournament, and Ontario poilticians stayed silent). Why did Pauline Marois feel she had to be involved in a non-political issue?
I stated earlier (post 66) you couldn’t have any metal on the turbine (safety). I gave my reasons as well why it would interfere with the game since I played it for many years.
I ask you again, are you stating that there is no head gear that would be inappropriate for soccer? Do you think Sikhs should carry knives while playing soccer?
Religious freedom and protections against discrimination are both individual rights, not group rights. It doesn’t matter what other Sikhs believe, only what one particular Sikh believes. And in fact, he doesn’t even need to think it’s mandatory, just important. This issue is entirely settled in Canadian courts. (If you want a cite, read the stuff leading up to paragraph 56 of Syndicat Northcrest v. Amselem, a Supreme Court case from 2004.)
Who cares? The point isn’t whether someone has a choice, it’s whether society can legitimately expect or require that person to change their decision. If the answer is “no”, then society needs a good reason to effectively exclude the person from the public sphere, including from soccer clubs.
BTW, up here, courts have protected other personal choices, like (among First Nations) whether or not you choose to live on a reserve, or (in prison) vegetarianism.
Stuff with Sikhs has come up before in Quebec. More to the point, if there were a valid reason for banning turbans, surely the QSF would have actually come up with one by now.
