We had a problem in the rehab kitchen this afternoon.
I was ahead of the crowd and got myself out of that building.
The fire department came and evacuated everyone.
Now I’m perfectly ambulatory but many here are not. And they have more age than me.
Obviously they were upset and afraid. The nurses were trying to keep everyone calm.
The fire department left a firefighter around that side of the building.
That firefighter was very obnoxious. She was mad about not going in.
She was snappish and rude.
She said at least 3 times, “I did not go through all the training to baby sit patients.”
The director lady ask her twice to quit screaming at patients. She was scaring some of them.
If I didn’t have on SpongeBob PJs, I would have tried to say something.
Not that I would have ever convinced her.
Sometimes there are reasons to get in someone’s face… That’s my theory, anywhoo.
This. A friend used to take me with her when she went car shopping. She made it clear when she started dealing with a salesperson that she was the one looking to buy a car. I was (deliberately and with my prior understanding) not even introduced or consulted by her at any point, and I barely paid attention to anything the salesperson said. At the first (or possibly the second) time I was treated as if my opinion mattered or had any input into the decision making process, we would walk out.
I guess you were paging me, so I will oblige and nitpick further.
The “intent” which is necessary for any assault and/or battery conviction is not the intent to place a person in apprehension of injury, but the intent is to commit an act that thus would place a reasonable person in fear of injury. I may not have typed that properly, but I hope the distinction can be made. I am responsible for my acts, not for what other people think.
You are bringing up the law of self-defense in which (typically) a person may use reasonable force to reject an assault or battery, but the force must be proportionate to the circumstances. If you (general you) want to argue that a car salesman felt that shooting a customer was a reasonable response to his yelling, then you probably would not convince me if I was on your jury. However, I don’t discount that there may be circumstances where in your face yelling could possibly justify that, but I think it extremely rare. That’s why we have shifting standards like “reasonable person” because we cannot account for everything in the text of a law.
This argument comes up a lot in these threads, but respectfully I think it is not helpful. Of course, as we live in real life and not in first year law school, the overwhelming chances are that the car salesman does not want to have a reputation for getting his potential customers arrested. And if it did happen, there would likely be a plea deal and not something that gets published in a reported decision from a state or federal appellate court.
But the question was not “will you go to jail” it was “is this illegal” and it is.
I believe it’s possible to get put on a sex offenders list for simply urinating in public.
I believe it’s possible to write a valid cheque on the side of a cow.
I also believe those factoids are much more interesting as actual real-life cases rather than pure hypotheticals.
I don’t know what you are going after. If I call a car salesman a motherfucker and threaten to kill his family and knock all of the shit off of his desk and stomp out, I probably won’t get a call from the police. But that doesn’t mean I did not commit several crimes there.
And that doesn’t mean that because in real life 99% of the time they are dropped that when they aren’t there isn’t a serious argument about guilt because it is hornbook law.
And @Alessan makes a good point earlier but reaches the wrong conclusion. Society realizes that charges in these situations may do more harm than good. They interfere with business relationships, with friendships, with siblings, with marriages, with taking time off work to testify in court. We have an underlying social value to, for lack of a better word, forgive such things because but for the Grace of God there go I. But the law remains the same and can be punished when the circumstances align.
It doesn’t have to be assault. I have very good information of someone who was cited for disorderly conduct (not in AR), after exchanging words with another motorist in a parking lot. I believe he walked towards the other car, but never got within reach of the occupant. But the other person claimed they were frightened, were willing to file a complaint, and the cop was willing to write a citation. I’m pretty sure that the “walking towards” was considered a significant factor.
My friend had to hire a lawyer, and appear in court. The case was ultimately dismissed after the complainant failed to show for a scheduled court date.
So such actions CAN definitely cause you expense and inconvenience.
