Iowa Family Policy Center's "Marriage Vow"

Plus it just comes off as a blatantly racist statement.
“Those savages were better off living with the guidance of their White benefactors than under a Negro president!”
Am I the only one who feels that way?

I’m pretty sure he was referring to the use of “family” as used by the conservative Christian right.
I think you should rethink your statement.

Probably the same time they were enshrining that racial equality bit into the Constitution.

Nah, her followers will be practiced hypocrites. “What I read ain’t porn. They mean gay stuff and disgusting stuff. Not me and my midget bondage scat magazines”.

-Joe

I think I don’t give a shit what you think.

You’re absolutely not the only one, it’s definitely got the feel of: “See what happens when they get all uppity and think they can be president. They should have all stayed on the plantation where they were fed well and could sing spirituals all day.”

And I may be a bit off here with my history, but weren’t slaves not allowed to get married officially. Isn’t that where the whole jumping the broom tradition came from?

Wiki agrees:

Too much Drunky, not enough Smurf.

So when it’s pointed out to you that you attacked another poster for no reason because you can’t actually read for context you “don’t give a shit”
So you’re a moron.
Glad we got that cleared up.

Won’t someone think of the innocent fruits?

I think they snuck in some secret gay code words!

Oh, is that what “Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families” means? Ignorance fought!

Ain’t no-one said nothin’ 'bout no official marriage, just about kids being raised by their two birth parents - which I reckon a couple of broom-jumpers could likely manage just as well as if they’d had a fancy chapel wedding with all the trimmings, as long as they were living married-style in the sight of their peers.

The FAMiLY LEADER site seems to be overwhelmed and the link in the OP doesn’t seem to work, here’s another link to the .pdf on another site: Family Leader Presidential Pledge.

Yeah, but things were better under slavery than they are under a Black president!

Yeah, never mind that a significant number of slave children were actually fathered by their owners. So, unless Dad decided to sell off Mom and kid, I guess, technically, kid was being raised by both parents.

Funny thing, this. Because the nature of slavery meant that families were commonly split up, often times children were raised not by “birth” parents, but by aunts/uncles or non-related adults. If anything slavery shows us how the coming together of anyone who gives a care is all that matters in how well a child is raised.

As for “all the trimmings”, you are correct. Marriage does not raise a good child. Loving, responsible adults do.

In the same sense that a farmer raises cattle, yes.

Notably, one of the Christian founding fathers and original definers of marriage (according to this vow): Thomas Jefferson.

Not that it matters, but it was actually considered quite liberal at the time to not prohibit women from voting in the Constitution. And that wasn’t just some academic point, since women were permitted to vote in some places (though only NJ let women vote in federal elections, IIRC).

Perhaps a quote from him might be relevant:

That’s slightly different than the Family Policy Council’s opinion. And the first person to say the Declaration has no legal force may kiss my desce3ndant-of-a-Revolutionary-veteran ass.

The Declaration has no legal force. And one of my ancestors died on Breed’s Hill, after surviving the retreat from New York City.
I KISS IT. I KISS IT HARD. Then I kick it once for good luck.

It’s got moral force.

Didn’t manage to be in the FAMOUS battle, did he? :wink:

ETA: Wow, the monument is three times as high as the hill. 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Bunker Hill - Wikisource, the free online library

Dude, you’re making me side with Der Trihs in the Pit. That really pisses me off. Stop with the stupid already. His meaning was perfectly clear, yet obviously went sailing right over your pointy little head.