Is a diamond's price a true measure of its value?

[ul]A significant portion of the diamond production not controled by de Beers is extracted from river beds by enterprising individuals in Brazil. That doesn’t make those people rich, nor those diamonds any cheaper. As everywhere else, it’s the middlemen who make the money.[/ul]

[ul]Keep in mind that what later turned into de Beers was founded by Cecil Rhodes, a charming character whose activities also led to the integration of Southern Africa into the benevolent British Empire.[/ul]

[ul]For a while, the defunct Soviet union tried to market its own diamonds outside of de Beers’ influence, but an agreement was reached where it complied with the powerful monopoly in return for access to the world markets.[/ul]

[ul]When it comes to other gemstones, there is nothing comparable to de Beers’ monopoly on diamonds. Rubies, emeralds, aquamarines etc. are extracted and marketed by single individuals, small companies or large corporations that compete with each other and get the money buyers are prepared to pay.[/ul]

[ul]Gemstones other than diamond do not have an intrinsic value either. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as the saying goes, and that’s what it boils down to. The subjective criteria that determine the value of a gemstone (æsthetics, clarity, color, etc.) are plain and easy even for the uninitiated to understand, as in the case of rubies or aquamarines. They are more arcane with regard to emeralds. And they are plainly impossible do grasp for anyone but a member of the Chinese culture when we consider Burmese jadeite. There are numerous cases, of course, of fashions, trends and fads weighing on the scale, but these are no more the result of criminal activities or the product of monopolistic market dominance than, say, Armani, Gucci or Benetton products.[/ul]

[ul]Leaving aside the role played by gemstones in regional wars as in Africa, the odd con man’s activities or the crime rate normally associated with the possession of wealth, there are very little “bad vibes” in the trade of gemstones. For example, for those who participate in the trade, great emphasis is placed on mutual trust and the value of a spoken commitment. Nothing equivalent to this would be found among politicians, arms traders or oil corporations.[/ul]

[ul]In the trade there is a saying that people who deal in diamonds are just as boring as the stone itself.[/ul]

[ul]Diamonds as well as other gemstones can be found in all price ranges, and it is difficult, therefore to compare pricing rules. Again, there is no such thing as absolute value in these matters. Thus, alexandrite is one gemstone that due to its rarity and the demand for it is considered to be among the most valuable, and a very fine ruby can, when priced by the carat, be many times worth the value of most diamonds.[/ul]

“What noise annoys a noisy oyster?”

No relation :smiley:

Since I learned the truth about diamonds a few years ago right here on the Dope, I can tell you that I DO NOT buy into the diamond racket. I’ve already told my boyfriend “diamonds are evil. Don’t ever buy me one.” I would rather have moissanite or those synthetic diamonds that are coming into the news recently. I hope DeBeers goes under, but it probably won’t because of selfish women out there that buy into the “he doesn’t love you if he you don’t have a diamond”.

A diamond (ruby, sapphire, whatever) or a;
Porsche
Couple weeks in the Carribean
Down payment on a house
BMW
House full of good furniture, including a big HDTV
Weekend with J. Lopez :wink:
Real nice boat
Kids college
A house in Texas, or somesuch.
Hah!
No contest, IMO.
Peace,
mangeorge

You have to admit, debeers has some great propaganda working for them. I mean- “engagement ring” now almost means= 'diamond", whereas earlier they were other stones, often as not.

As Cecil notes in the column, Epstein has (most of) the book-length version online.

Are you saying these are equivalent in cost? Man, your diamond suppliers are bending you over the table.

Not likely, buddy, since I’ve never owned a diamond (married once, 8yrs). What? Do I look like an idiot?
The cost of the items on my list varies pretty widely. A trip to the Bahamas, what, maybe $2K to a pretty nice 4br house in suburban Texas I’d guess somewhere in the neighborhood of $200K.
Have you priced diamonds or, especially, rubies? Sheesh!
No matter how cleverly one thinks one’s manhandled the salesperson, one has been ripped. It’s just a matter of degree is all.
Diamonds are “worth” about what those manufacturers who glue them onto sawblades pay for them. :eek:

Okay, so what was your point? Maybe you were responding to someone’s post and in that context it made sense. Without a quote, though, it’s pretty tough to tell.

Yes and no. Those are diamonds, so it’s a true statement that at least some diamonds are worth that price. But aesthetics are completely unimportant to a diamond saw, whereas they are very important to jewelry. If you put a typical industrial diamond in a ring and gave it to your girlfriend, she wouldn’t exclaim “Ooh, pretty!”. More likely, she’d exclaim “What’s that black thing doing in the ring where there should be a gemstone?”. There’s one price for hard crystallized carbon, another price for clear prismatically-cut minerals with high index of refraction, and yet a third price for things that happen to be both of those things.

That said, I personally think that a nice sapphire is far and away more beautiful than a diamond, and more intrinsically valuable, to boot. But when the time comes, I’ll presumably bow to the wishes of whomever the lady in question happens to be.

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The thread’s title asks;

I thought I was replying directly to that, by comparing the value of diamonds to the value of some other things of comparable cost (price).
No?

I thought that you guys would like to hear an opinion from a woman who actually thinks diamonds are a waste instead of symbolic of your “true love”. Having my boyfriend empty his bank account for me is showing that he loves me? We live in a screwed up society.

All I basically have to say can be summed up like this: Diamonds, ha! What a joke upon the masses.

I’ve known for years that diamonds are worthless. They’re nice, sure. They go with any outfit. But the truth is, they aren’t really good for anything.

I own diamonds, they don’t do anything but sit on my finger or around my neck the days I choose to wear them. I didn’t buy them, they were gifts. I refuse to waste my money on a rock. If I were going to buy a gemstone, I’d at least buy a pretty one.

For example, I had a boyfriend a couple of years ago who insisted on buying me a diamond ring. We argued, I told him that if he insisted on spending that much money on me, just to give the cash to me. He finally just told me I was getting the ring, and I told him that if he HAD to buy me a ring to make it an emerald, something that I really thought was beautiful. It pissed him off, and I got the diamond anyway, $500+ (he never told me the actual price, just that it was over $500, and I believe it because it’s a pretty big rock) dollars wasted.

We broke up three months or so later and I still have the ring. :wally

I don’t like diamonds, I don’t think they’re a girls best friend. I think they’re a rip off. I don’t consider a diamond a symbol of true love. I figure, skip the diamond. Take me on vacation and show me you really love me :smiley:

Real love these days is clearing a credit report of all debts :smiley: