Says you, with no evidence. The experiences of the African immigrants in my family matches up reasonably closely with those of other black Americans I’ve spoken to.
OK let me try this again for the 5th time: Do you think that AA is considered in the admissions process for African immigrants?
And how in the fuck is the following statement an indication of racial bias? " Or am I just a racist for acknowledging that AA exists and is applied to all blacks in America including African immigrants?"
What? because I neglected to mention that some black applicants don’t check the box? Geez for fucks sake.
And considering the fact that black students at top colleges have SAT scores 200 points below their white counterparts, it really doesn’t seem like a stretch to assume that some of them would not have gotten in without AA.
Well then your articulation of what you meant has changed because it used to be just the effects of racism. Now its the effects of racism if you aren’t able to meet some threshold level of success regardless of whether that is the result of the racism or not.
I don’t think you’re a racist, but the statement “AA exists and is applied to all blacks in America…” directly conflicts with “…some of them would not have gotten in without AA”.
Hint: it’s the difference between all and some.
These particular effects, yes – the effects that have resulted in a situation of unequal opportunity for a decent chance at success.
The poverty rate for two parent households in the black community is 2%. The poverty rate for single moms who had their children out of wedlock is significantly higher. Is it possible that these social factors play a bigger role in poverty than racism?
And how do you know that blacks don’t have even better opportunity than Asians just because Asians achieve better results? Perhaps the low rate of unwed pregnancy, low rates of truancy and criminality, low rate of gang membership, etc. allows them to take advantage of what few opportunities they can eke out of this horribly racist society of ours.
Even when half the black population at Ivy leagues are African immigrants?
Is it possible that these schools are trying to achieve X% black population and they pick the best applicants they can find and half of those slots are going to 10% of the black population consisting of African immigrants?
Damuri Ajashi – I think I’ve figured out why your posting style is so damn annoying sometimes. You respond to each post without looking to see if other posts have answered your questions and addressed your points.
Please, please… before you post a response, go ahead and read all the posts after that one, since you’ll find that many of the subsequent posts answered your questions and addressed your points.
So when you say I should “own” my assumption that she didn’t earn her achievements, what exactly are you trying to say?
And BTW, where do I say she didn’t earn her achievements?
I brought up the girl because she is the subject of the article. The article where they mention all the students who got into all 8 Ivies, most of whom are African immigrants.
That you made a dumb and obnoxious assumption, and you shouldn’t do that.
This sentence implied it: “She seems well qualified to have been accepted to at least one but all 8 is the sort of achievement that is largely restricted to a small subset of the population.”
I think I’ve been taking criticism very well until people start saying that
I’m someone who makes subtly racist assumptions:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20120709&postcount=131
with unconscious racial biases:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20120726&postcount=132
who just assumes things about black people:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20121058&postcount=138
Who assumes any achievement by black people is because of AA:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20121058&postcount=139
Who shows racial bias:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20121760&postcount=167
But you’re right no one came out and said “Damuri you’re a racist because you don’t think AA is helping African immigrants get into schools they might not otherwise get into” Isn’t that the whole point of having AA in the first place? To provide a goddam advantage?
I’m not really arguing for AA for Asians. I’m using it as a rhetorical device.
]]Which ones do you doubt?
So where is the breakdown of the African immigrant family? Where is the breakdown of the caribean immigrant family?
So anecdotes?
How many Asians have you talked to about race? How many Hispanics? How many Jews?
Pointing out possible racial bias is very, very different than calling someone a racist. I probably have some racial bias (and I certainly have in the past), even though I try not to.
Try not to be so sensitive. That you (or anyone) may have some racial bias is a revelation of nothing more than that you’re human living in modern society. It’s nigh-impossible to grow up in this world without having some biases.
AA is applied to all of them. Some of them need it to get in and some of them don’t.
The reason I do this is because when I skip a post, people complain. I will try it your way.
So do you think that African immigrants benefit form AA?
So when you say I made a dumb and obnoxious assumption, what assumption is that and please cite where I make that assumption (or are you just assuming I made that assumption?) and why is it dumb and obnoxious? Is it racist perhaps?
That subset is African immigrants.
This one most prominently:
“African immigrants don’t encounter the same police hostility that the descendants do.”
In my understanding of the data, African/Caribbean immigrant families start to statistically resemble African Americans a generation or two after their arrival.
Many from each group, including members of my family in every one of these groups except Hispanics. Along with lots of data.
Its not calling out racial bias. Its people trying to call me a racist to shut me up.
I’m sure some do. I’m totally fine with this.
Or maybe they just disagree with you and you’re being oversensitive about it.
I just cited it – this sentence: “She seems well qualified to have been accepted to at least one but all 8 is the sort of achievement that is largely restricted to a small subset of the population.”
I’ll break down why – you say she’s qualified enough for “at least one”… but then you add a “but” about “all 8”. That implies that you think she’s good enough for one, but not all 8. Otherwise, the first part wouldn’t have been followed by “but” and you would have said “qualified to have been accepted at all 8” instead of “at least one”.