Can you prove any of this?
I’m a Hillary supporter, and I agree that the investigation into her email server is not partisan bullshit. She legitimately did something wrong, and while I don’t think it’s bad enough to preclude her from office, it’s obviously not something that should be ignored.
But the problem is that Hillary has been the target of so much partisan bullshit that it’s awfully hard to tell, and the extent to which her failings have been attacked certainly is partisan.
So: FBI investigating whether Hillary committed a crime? Not partisan.
Republican House calling the FBI director for an “emergency” hearing to berate him for determining that she didn’t? Partisan bullshit. And who knows how many more hearings we’ll have on the subject.
And, of course, the reason it would not change my vote is that she’s running against Trump, who strikes me as frighteningly incompetent to serve as president in every way.
[Stephen Fry] O dear, dear! [/SF]
Wrong, FBI’s Comey shot down that one. Many sources on the right are telling many about the “lie” about the convenience referring to using more than one device, but even that is iffy, the main reason was not as you mention here, it was not to avoid FOIA, but the FBI did say that there is no evidence to deny that the server was setup as a convenience to continue using her old email account as she declared early.
As for the hackers:
Yes, OP. I am going to vote for Donald Trump over the emails, and only over the emails. Certainly I never delete emails myself, and like most Americans I consider emails to be something to be archived carefully, not something disposable.
Hillary’s lack of tech-savvy is disqualifying. Trump, on the other hand, appears to actually manage his own Twitter account, and that is why he will be the best President ever.
My decision has nothing to with Hillary’s lifelong support of “free trade,” or her close ties to Goldman Sachs. Heck, you want to talk corruption, Trump’s in bed with the Mafia, right? No, it can only be the emails.
This is truly the political issue of our times, and not a bizarrely overexposed bit of political nonsense. And if only the media would talk about it more, then the American people would turn on Hillary Clinton for her unforgivable sins against email archive integrity, and not put her in office. It’s far better to talk about this than any policy decisions, conflicts of interest, or personal favors that older generations might consider disqualifying. No! Don’t talk about those things! Email is everything!
I’m sure the other young people will agree with me here.
I could see someone getting fed up enough to stay home or (much better) vote third party, but to start supporting Trump over this? If you’re not already a fan of the racist, sexist, xenophobic, tax-evading, con-man who’s in bed with the Mafia, I don’t see why Hillary doing something bad would make him appealing. I think the discussion in this thread bears that out; there are people arguing ‘what Hillary did was really bad’, but they’re not even attempting to line up ‘Hillary bad’ against ‘Trump bad’.
Clinton has done one disqualifying thing. Trump has done twenty. Clinton’s got a long way to go to catch up.
For me, the only small way to get satisfaction is to see Clinton win with less than what her husband got in 1992. She’s currently at 40-41 in polls that have Johnson and/or Stein as choices, so fingers crossed. 39% would be particularly satisfying. And for those who say it doesn’t matter, I got three words for you: down ballot races. 40% don’t come with no coattails. In 1992, the Democrats lost 9 seats in the House and the Senate had no change.
Dude, we’re sparking some buds and playing video games, ask us again tomorrow. Afternoon.
Hillary Clinton could give birth to a winged demon during one of her speeches, and then declare it her VP candidate, and I would still vote for her over Trump.
Nm
I don’t find the explanation that Clinton failed to follow basic security protocols because they were inconvenient as comforting.
One hacker lying about hacking her server doesn’t mean that it wasn’t compromised. Clinton’s security was a joke. They wouldn’t have been able to know they were hacked, let alone stop a sophisticated a hacker. Plus, she accessed it via blackberry while in China and Russia. It is inconceivable that these countries didn’t penetrate her server.
Neither do I, but it is not a crime. And under some pressure Comey reported that there was even less of a reason to be so harsh on Clinton as he had done early. IMHO Comey made it harsher early to give something to the Republicans, but it only lead to what we are seeing now, to accusations to a fix made by Trump and many Republicans.
Again, “possible” does not make a case. Using a bit of logic it is clear to me that the FBI should had seen already other hackers coming up with the goods if that was the case.
So, if Putin is sitting on a cache of Hillary emails, and he wants Trump in the WH, when is the best time to release these emails?
That’s more wishful thinking than logic. Just because there aren’t private hackers bragging about getting in her server is not reason to believe the Chinese or Russians haven’t quietly been snooping all along.
I can’t imagine Putin wants Trump to win. Peace and stability helps all nations.
That does not make a case still. The point is that it was a mistake anyhow, but not at the levels the Republicans are telling us that it should be a crime.
Why imagine a factual untruth when the knowable truth is out there?
Maybe I have not seen this addressed, after all there’s been a lot of discussion on this issue, but what personal email system would the detractors have preferred Hillary Clinton to use? AOL? Gmail? Hotmail?
Or is the expected standard that she is to conduct her personal business on the State Department email system?
Speaking of Putin and the State Department email:
Now you’re changing the argument. I said she showed remarkably poor judgement, not that she committed a crime.
On the contrary. The FBI described it as “extremely unlikely” that the hackers would have left evidence of their intrusion.
Any of these would have been preferable. Maintaining a private server with no full time security staff and running out of date protection software is laughably vulnerable.
Of course.