Is Daddy Waddy home from Worky Jerky? Efficacy of babytalk?

My parents never used babytalk with my brothers and me, but I was by all accounts a late-talker. They read to us a lot, whatever we wanted and whenever we wanted. I was in speech therapy for kindergarten and first grade and by that point I had resisted speech so much that I had developed my own sign language, which has long since been forgotten. In fact, the kindergarten screening folks suggested I started kindergarten at 6 instead of 5, so that my speech skills had time to develop.

I’m not sure if my bizarre speech impediment (I said something close to “fjord” for fork and “trish” for fish; it seemed to be completely random consonant sounds) had anything to do with my sign language. At any rate, I’ve always tested in the 99th percentile on all the tests I’ve ever taken, so from my experience, it’s my guess that early language skills have little to do with later intelligence. Either that or I’m an anomaly.

Sarah

These are the sort of threads I find fascinating!

For background, I have two boys, 3 and 7, English mother (me) Japanese father, being raised in Japan.

Do I talk baby talk? Yes I confess I do! We have rhyming names which are now so far distorted that no-one has any clue where they originated. I talk to my kids constantly but it varies from in depth complicated conversations about abstract things, to silly word games. I think you need ALL aspects of conversation. Faced with a baby it is very hard not to do the baby talk thing - the baby coos at you and you coo back! I never thought I would but my babies and I thrived on it, and it was all baby-led.

My husband does not use kid-talk. Our family language is English (that is also kid-led, as my oldest boy always chose to speak to his Dad in English from the very earliest days.) but as he learned English as an adult, he doesn’t know kid-talk.

Will kids read to more talk earlier? / When did my kids start to talk?

Who knows? But if your baby likes books then you won’t be able to escape from them anyway! My older boy loved books and talk and all things communicative from the moment he was home from the hospital, and certainly had preferences by the time he was 3 months old. He talked early, at about 7 months saying “moo” etc for animals he saw. His first proper words came at about 10 months.

My second boy was a real floppy “baby” baby who did little other than eat and sleep for the first six months. He is still fairly quiet and very emotionally independent. He was like Tanookie’s daughter, and did not want books to be read to him. He preferred to read it himself. Now at three and a half, he likes books but not with the insatiable appetite of his brother. He started speaking very late. He was two and a half before any clear words came out, and another six months went by before they started to be linked into phrases. But by three years and three months he was WRITING! (In English and Japanese!)This kid can write phonetically fairly clear phrases, and he can read simple words that can be sounded out. All this with no teaching on my part. (He copies his brother at homework time.) He still isn’t a great talker.

ESL parents experiences…

Well, I am a JSL I suppose. I speak fluent but choppy Japanese, can understand virtually anything said and can make myself understood all the time these days. My older boy never had “baby” Japanese, with me being his main carer. He got regular contact with his Japanese grandmother, enough for him to speak bilingually from the beginning. But Japanese adults found him offputting when he would talk, as it was adult style conversation that came out. Two examples that made people laugh were when he was trying to butt into a conversation, he’d say “Sumimasen” (Pardon me) instead of the more normal kid-like “Ano nee” (Umm, or some attention-getting noise…) And when he wanted to be picked up, he’d say “Motte” (mottsu is the verb for carrying an object.) instead of “Dakko” (cuddle me). His grandfather used to oblige by hoiking him up by his clothes and dangling him, which became a great joke.

The younger kid started speaking when we were in England for three months, and by the time we came home he was really doing well in English. He was horrified when we got back here and he couldn’t understand people. He seems to have approached Japanese language learning from the same standpoint as a second language learner, and will often ask me for a word, or translate something literally, which doesn’t work well between English and Japanese. He went through a phase of using English with a heavy Japanese accent (at 3 and a half that still happens most days.) but quickly realised that when fighting with a friend at playgroup, “Getto Offu” wasn’t doing it!

I could go on and on, I find the way kids aquire language to be fascinating, especially watching my kids figure out two languages simultaneously, and never seem to be too stressed out about it.

The bottom line is if you love your baby and chat to him or her in the normal line of life, which you will if your baby is anything more than a cabbage (and none of them are, they are all intensely complex and fascinating beings right from the moment they pop out,) then your baby will lead you into chatting away in the manner which most suits your personalities. And in your desire to show your baby the world, reading, singing, word and hand games will follow. Your baby will show you which games/songs/stories they like best, and so it goes on.

And now I have to stop and go and read bedtime stories. “Bam and Kero” (brilliant Japanese picture books about a dog and a delinquent toddler frog) to little one, and Arthur Ransome to the older one!

My daughter is completely bilingual, but spoke English as her first language up until the age of three. She was surrounded by adults as a small child, and could speak before she could crawl. She was read to extensively, and never spoken down to. The only time I ever referred to myself in the third person was when I realised she didn’t actually know I WAS “Mamma”, and I didn’t want her referring to me by my first name. She always spoke in complete sentences, and has always been extremely articulate. Whenever she didn’t get the required answer to a question, she rephrased it. Aquiring a second language allowed even more extensive rephrasing.

She has talked incessantly for the past sixteen years. I become ever more monosyllabic in the face of a barrage of verbosity. My advice to those parents who have slow speakers is: enjoy!

p.s. One of my (monolingual) nieces said nothing recognisable before the age of three. A year later her verbal skills were easily on a par with those of my daughter at the same age.

another p.s. As I said, she was read to extensively, and enjoyed it. However, she has not EVER read to herself for enjoyment.

I don’t think we use much baby talk with the Tiniest Minion of Sauron. I certainly don’t say Daddy-Waddy is home from workey-jerkey. I think I normally say, “Yay…Daddy’s home from work!”

I do find myself talking to my 7 year old in baby terms sometimes. Like last night, I asked him if he needed to go to the potty. He rolled his eyes and said, “MOM…I’m not 3…I have to poo-poo not go to the potty! Potty is a baby word!” :smiley:

This reminds me of a funny story an old coworker of mine told. Her daughter had trouble with t and r sounds and had somewhat of a lisp. She loved to ride in her Daddy’s big truck and started telling people all the time “My Daddy has a really big fuck and I like to ride in it.” Her mother was mortified and from then on all vehicles were called cars and nothing else.

Hmmm…I won’t comment on any one parent individually here, but I will comment that as a whole that there are a whole lot of people on here with kids that seemed to develop remarkable language skills early on. Maybe if you’re computer literate you’re more likely to pass good language skills on to your kids.

       I don't use baby talk as described here when talking to my duaghter, but I do use a different voice.  Come on, we ALL do this, more of the "motherspeak" that comes out when we communicate with our kids.  This reminds me of the Seinfeld where the goes to see the friend with a new baby and he doesn't know how to talk to it.  "Hello.  Nice place you have here."  He talks to it just like you would an adult.  I hope nobody goes to that extreme.  

     I don't think its just with kids we do this.  Everyone varies how they talk based on who they are talking to.  Different friends, family, spouse....almost everyone will change their pitch, tone, phrases, etc based on who they are speaking with.

         Our 17 month old daughter is probably a little behind in language, although I won't admit this to my wife or she'd freak out.  She always ask, I just say, "She's doing fine."  I know there is nothing wrong with her.  I have been around plenty of kids with things seriously wrong and know she is going to be fine, but verbally she is a little behind.  She says one word things like mom, dad, yuck, etc.  No phrases yet.  However, she will do sign language.  My wife read or heard somewhere that kids can pick up sign laguage early on easier than words.  She can sign many more words than she can say and she has done this for months.  Please, food, more, love...etc.  Basic stuff.  In fact, the other day she signed, "More food please."  Its kind of fun for my wife and I to learn to.  She also knows her body parts.  Points to her ears, toes, belly button.  She has done this for awhile.  

       One thing I learned a few years back is you should not teach kids made up words for their private parts because, in the worst case scenario where something happens to them and they are on the stand testifying, if they say someone touched there hoo hoo or whatever you call it the defendant's attorney may try to use that to claim they really weren't violated because who knows what they mean by their hoo hoo.  Kind of a pessimistic view to have to avoid the fake terms, but something to keep in mind.

I’m in the “refused to babytalk” and I even went one further, I refused to let relatives babytalk my kids as well.

That doesn’t mean that I didn’t coo and cuddle when they were little, or soften my tone of voice, but insofar as the vocabulary? I always spoken in full sentences and with the correct versions of the word when it came to pronunciation. For example “are you hungry? or thirsty? we’ll be home in a few minutes” rather than “does her want her baba, is her all wown out po’ baby…” and the like (UUUUGGGH, makes me cringe just to write it).

My daughter (who is 12 years older than my son) was speaking simple, but clearly spoken full sentences by two. (I want some water, Give me that toy, etc). None of this ba ba, or "me want " garbage.

Though she occasionally misunderstood us, and came up with some odd words which we didn’t understand until later.

When she was about 2 and a half, she would frequently ask “Is it eggrock”?

We eventually realized that she hadn’t quite put two and two together well enough to quite pronounce “Eight O’clock”. That was her bedtime, and quite reasonably, she wanted to know if it was time for bed yet.

My son took a bit longer, and had trouble with R’s and L’s (which isn’t unusual for many toddlers, especially boys IIRC), but even with that little difficulty he didn’t go through a babytalking phase either.

Both kids were tested as gifted in their 5th grade year, and both kids excelled in reading comprehension at several grade levels above that year.

Not sure if that’s part of it, but I suspect it helped.

One thing that will just make me cringe about an older child (one that is WELL past the age where babyish pronunciation was ever remotely cute) is one who has that “affected” baby talk style. Some people think it’s “cute”. I find it excrutiatingly irritating.

Sorry, I missed some of your questions. I was one of those “weirdos” (well at least my conservative family would look at me weird and tease me for this) who bought the "womb-o-phone thingies and would read and play classical music (despite the fact that I prefer rock :D) to my kids in the womb.

I didn’t read Dante’s Inferno or anything, I stuck to Dr. Suess, and stuff like that.

I had totally forgotten about Piaget’s writings on this (though I didn’t read anything he’d researched until well after my daughter was born), but I’d have to say that even though I wasn’t familiar with him at the time, I was in total agreement with his findings.

I think that speaking to children, even babies, as if they were “little humans” is hugely effective in helping them develop their language.

skills.
(sheesh).

…develop their language SKILLS.