Is Democracy Really the Best Form of Government?

As we all know, the big thing thic century is democracy. It has been hailed by many as the near perfection of government. Ideally, it is rule by the people for the people, but my question is this; is this really the most efficient and effective way for a large group of people of be governed?

While I am a big fan of Plato’s Republic, I don’t think that his ideas about government are at all practical. Absolute power over an enitre country’s recources would provide too great of a temptation for almost any man or woman; abuses of power would be inevitable. So, are there any viable alternatives to democracy? My reason for questioning the democratic process is this: pure democracy is impossible for a society as large as ours, and representative democracy seems to have some of the same failings as dictatorships (I hope no one is going to argue that there are no corrupt politicians).

My gut tells me that there is perhaps some new form of government that has never been tried before; but what could that be? Are there any existing (past or present) that work better than democracy, or should we look to the future and devise something new?

I don’t think I’ve ever debated politics with a Dark Elf, but I believe it is the most effective method of government given the possible abuses of dictatorships, however benign. The process for any new legislature is deliberately drawn out in order that the possible consequences are accounted for as well as possible.

Civilisation has gone from anarchy to monarchy and dictatorship and then democracy. The only “new” way forward would be, I guess, some return to limited anarchy whereby the only existent laws related to use of force.

I think it was Winston Churchill who said like “Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried”. But then I am not sure he was completely sound on supporting democracy…

I don’t think you can judge political systems solely by their success or failure, it must depend upon the forces which wish to destroy them. Look at Cuba or Nicaragua for examples of states which have been unable to operate due to the external forces of destabilisation directed against them for geopolitical and economic dominance reasons.

Certainly I am not impressed by any current Parliamentary system, although it seems to be an improvement the system in the US as it as seemed to operate at least since the end of World War One.

Maybe Anarcho-Syndicalism would prove best of those tried so far? It would not be given a chance in isolation in the modern world though, as those same forces of global economic power would not permit it to survive.

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/rocker-rudolf/misc/anarchism-anarcho-syndicalism.htm

In A Connecticut Yankee inKing Arthur’s Court Mark Twain says something like “The best form of government is absolute rule by an enlightened and incorruptible king. But since such a creature, if he existed, would eventually die, democracy is the next best thing.” Sentiments I agree with. A perfectly wise, bebevolent, and absolute ruler would be capable of making hard choices and doing unpopular things that will turn out for the best in the long run. Unfortunately, such creatures don’t exist, and absolute power is too damned dangerous in individual hands – even without absolute power we have the abuses of Enron, Anderson, Worldcom, and the outrageous salaries and perks of CEOs like Kaczinski. Do you really want George Bush jr. as your president for life? (Or, on the other side, Bill Clinton?) Elections every four years might be wasteful, corrupt in their own way, and given to pandering to short-term goals over beneficial long-term austerity, but the good points outweigh the bad.

Imagine if Bush were King and not a president…

Abortions would be banned. Divorce made ever more difficult. School Prayers mandatory. Military Budgets would increase ever more. Ashcroft would become the Chief Inquisitor.

Bush with democracy isn't nice... without it its even uglier. A benevolent dictator can be good... his hier might not be so.

It hasn’t been said yet, but pure democracy is pretty dangerous too. You would end up with the Tyrrany of the Majority, where any group that doesn’t have 50% of the electorate is taken advantage of by the side that does. For example, the wealth the minority would quickly be looted by everyone else.

You need some restraints on democracy. The US uses a constitution that’s supposed to restrict what the government can do. We also use a representative system, so that you don’t have direct voting and the representatives will probably be more thoughtful than the hoi polloi. In fact, I think the “system” the US uses is better described as a constitutional republic, with a measure of democracy thrown into the mix. This is probably about the best system, but there always could be tweaks to improve it. The parlaimentary system, with coalition governments, sounds pretty attractive to me. The US’s elections are structured so that two major parties inevitably result, where parlaimentary systems accommodate multiple parties better.

Add special interests and lobby to that mix and results become a bit shady. Big Business is becoming way to big. They are exerting way too much influence financially on governments… Even the strong US system is being “corrupted” from within IMHO.

Anything a government can do private industry can do better, if the proper motivation (creation of capital) exists. I belive Anarcho-capitalism is the best idea for government that I have come across.

Read this author’s “Abolishing Government” Series for some interesting ideas

Capitalism’s sole purpose is to benefit itself. If that means the people are benefitted as well then good, but when the needs of the people become different to the needs of the government then the government will oppress the people to better benefit itself. It only serves the people when it is to its benefit.

Also, isn’t Anarcho-Capitalism almost an oxymoron?

Democracy works longest, maybe best but that is up to interpretation, because some people are inherently corrupt and those who are corrupt are normally, in some form, megalomaniacal. In any single-party (person) government, a corrupt individual brings disaster. In fact any form of government where one or two corrupt individuals can gain majority control will in time become corrupt. Democracy, however, lends control across a large number of varying people. While democracy makes it easier for corruption to take a slice of the cake, it makes it harder to get the majority of it. Of course, there is always the possibility of corruption in any form of government, it’s just democracy lasts as long as the Duracell bunny.

As John Locke, I believe, pointed out. If this “enlightened and incorruptible king” did a hard and unpopular thing it would seem clear that there would have to some degree of coercion involved in implementing it. “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrups absolutely.”

I’m confused by this statement. When you said “Capitalism’s sole purpose is to benefit itself,” were you referring to the government being the capitalist entity? Capitalism is just every individual trying to benefit himself. It inherently is “the people.”

Government oppressing the people is not capitalism, it’s the opposite.

anarcho-capitalism is not oxymoronic. It is capitalism unfettered by governmental regulations.

read this article… great stuff.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/edmonds/edmonds161.html

Yay, I want Enron to be my government!

Uh, what?

I mean, this is just flat out WRONG. Has this guy actually heard of civil litigation? Torts? Duty of care?

Sorry, all notions of “credible” just flew out the window.

notice the word “IF”, Tabby-Cat

In response to Zagadka

Enron was the government’s fault!

I’m sorry, but this implies that you cannot sue for damages to your property. This is not true. There may not be criminal charges, but you can always sue in civil litigation. “Laws” only pertain to criminal charges, or regulatory functions. Damages are paid in tort.

Also, this example is disingenious because of it’s specificity: Only if statute sipulates a certain level of allowed pollution will the offender be able to raise the defence of “statutory provision”. And this will only be provided if the public good was better served by the pollution, which was explicitly stated in Allen v Gulf Oil. This is also ensured by a proper enquiry into the environmental results of the pollution. The article fails to address the greater public good aspect.

Also, an offshoot of this is that land and wildlife that is not owned by anyone does not get any protection at all.

Speaking of which, without a government, you wouldn’t even have the concept of “owning” something. Any organisation that could enforce property rights would be in effect, government, as per Locke.

Ooh, and left to their own devices, they would have established a balanced, fair, and prosperous regime, instead of lying, stealing, and hording all the money they could, then running away laughing.

Something that would be more democratic than what we have now would be something that involved people in the discussions that gave rise to the bills and amendments in the first place, and in the debates concerning their merits, rather than just “Pick which person will make your decisions for you” plus an occasional referendum on the ballot.

If the forum in which those discussions were sufficiently open to all folks desiring to participate, the “tyranny of the majority” thing would be less of an issue. Consider this board: if you’ve been here for long, you know how a person with a well-considered perspective who takes time to explain and defend it (and to accept and respond to criticisms and demands for supportive evidence and so on) can have an effect on the thinking of others here, even if that person is very much in the minority. If instead the board membership had simply been polled and the results tallied, those minority viewpoints would have been washed away, unconsidered and unheard.

Something that would be even yet more democratic would be a decision-making mechanism that would improve upon the conventional vote itself as the typical decision-making apparatus. For instance, an issue could be decided with degrees of permanence, with greater permanence requiring agreement closer to consensus and also requiring more process, as well as more process to undo. An issue that remains volatile, with a majority opinion but many fervent dissenters, would remain a decision “made” at a tentative level, discussion would continue, revotes would be common. A different issue with a solid majority and very little active dissent would probably get “promoted” to a higher degree of permanency, where before it could be brought up again for formal discussion a “discussion about whether or not to formally discuss it” would have to take place and illustrate sufficient difference of opinion and interest in the topic. A third issue with near-unanimous agreement would end up being even more permanent.

Take that model and marry it to the notion of decentralizing (so that nations have states and states have counties and counties have villages and villages have neighborhoods and neighborhoods have individual people, and at every juncture you give the widest possible authority to the lower levels to tell the upper levels to stick it), and reduce to an absolute minimum the investing of decision-making authority in the hands of a few designated decision-makers and you’ve got a better and more democratic system.

At the extreme, you have an organized, structured, rule-following anarchy, in fact. I’m one of many who believe it is a direction to go in, a destination to approach as closely as possible, in the sense that progress that doesn’t quite get us all the way to that extreme is nevertheless highly desirable progres. I’m one of a smaller subset who also believe the goal itself is actually attainable, in the sense that structures of communication and decision-making could function effectively and efficiently without so much as a single structured relationship where some people have authority over others, but even if I’m wrong, the sense of “this is the direction to go” persists as valid.

Interestingly, it’s a perspective that folks coming from the right (libertarian individual-rights folks) and also from the left (radical egalitarians, feminism-inspired anti-hierarchicalists) have arrived at.