Child traffickers are all too common. The OP is asking how many child traffickers are billionaires who traffic children largely to other billionaires.
The term ‘pimping’ has lost its heft. Pimp My Car, etc. etec..
This is slavery.
Harder to believe than any of Trump’s Truth Social posts is the possibility that there aren’t 5000 reporters out there searching through every billionaire’s history to be the first to discover another Epstein.
Churches have been moving pedo priests around for years, I have no reason to assume this has stopped.
I think my point was that there is nothing particularly unique about a billionaire committing this crime, It transcends class and economic status.
Exactly, The child is the victim in this case, not the criminal. That is not to say a child cant be a criminal of course.
I am in NO way defending the man, but the impression that I’ve had is that it was not quite as cut-and-dried as some like to make it out. Like it wasn’t Epstein handing out fliers for his parties that said “Just in- New barrel of lube! All the underage kids you ever dreamed of! Come to my private island- BYOV!”
Rather it was that the guy was a known high-end party host on his private island and elsewhere, and all sorts of rich and powerful people attended his parties. And probably there was a much smaller circle who knew what went on in the pool cabana or that if you asked the right way, those kids serving drinks would show up to your room later on.
I’m just doubting that all of this was out in the open like that; it was probably more like college parties where there were people using cocaine in the upstairs bathroom, but it wasn’t on the flyers, and 95% of the people at the party had no idea because they were just drinking beer and hanging out on the first floor.
I suspect that Epstein was somewhat unique in that he was both fantastically wealthy AND into that sort of thing. Most likely there are still traffickers and pimps who engage in that sort of thing, but they’re not billionaires and don’t have private islands, so much more furtive and seedy.
True, but if you read that Harvard professor’s emails, it sounds like some people were pretty open about asking. The professor asks about legality of transporting underage girls to a state where the age of consent is lower.
…and that may have been Jeffrey’s downfall, people forgetting the First Rule of Fight Club because it happened so much that some of it got too casual.
ISTM and even if we’re involving no minors or trafficking but just fully voluntary adult debauchery, no matter if your circle is former presidents and royal princes, or even especially more so, you want the “special” parties to stay really special. Having around people who are not all the way “inside” will lead them to notice stuff and start asking questions.
Compare e.g. the Diddy situation where it was expected that people there for the “normal” party would have left before the really f’ed-up shit began going down.
Right — and even if they are people of means this is something you keep on the Down Low. Not try to farm clout.
Which- on that island- it is- it is 16, not 18.
IANAL, but isn’t it illegal to take someone who’s a minor in one state, and bring them to a different state with a lower age of majority, for the purpose of having “legal” sex with them?
That’s what the Harvard professor was asking Epstein.
…my entire faith in the institutions that hold society together has been shattered. Not just by Epstein. But by everything else I’ve witnessed happen over the last two years.
Its like…who can I even trust any more? These are genuine conspiracy theories come-to-life. And I’m not even really paying much attention to this because the details are so horrific and I can’t bear to look.
So is Epstein unique? How would I know? I don’t move in those circles. But I doubt it.
Where I live in the world there was a prominent political person who was found guilty of horrific crimes spanning decades that has been downplayed by the media and I can’t help but think: is there something more going on there? Why did our “paper of record” only ever publish a handful of articles about him, all just straight reporting (as in…“he was convicted today”) , but no investigative stuff?
So thats where I’m at. I don’t think Epstein is unique. We are probably just scratching the surface. I’ve got nothing to base that on except vibes though. Just me and my tin-foil hat, unfortunately.
Well, there’s Trump’s other friends:
Yes, Roger Ailes was a friend of Trump’s.
He’s an outlier, in terms of the status of the network he included in his crimes, and the fact the child abuse, wasn’t incidental, the fact he’d abused children with the richest, most important people in the world was clearly part of his business model. But he’s not in unique by any means. Like this story just broke in the last month….
There is one thing that keeps me from full tin foil hatdom. Though it’s not necessarily a good thing.
All these recent cases Epstein, Weinstein, Saville, etc. they absolutely seem to conform to the conspiracy theory trope (powerful men who’s hideous sex abuse was protected by their connections), but they don’t in one important way.
These were not dark secrets, where even whispering about it would summon men in black helicopters who would have you summarily murdered in an undiscoverable manner. On the contrary everyone knew. Like everyone. The fact these men were abusers was an open secret for years. They may not have suffered much in the way of reprucussions, at least for a long long time, but it was known.
I still don’t understand how he got locked up. I mean, if this had never happened, and I pitched this idea here for a novel or a movie — complete with all this fallout — wouldn’t posters have said, uh, the way you tell it, it’s like everyone in power had an incentive to never let these documents get out there; VIP treatment fo the guy at all costs, right?
That’s why I always cringe when people compare this shit to Eyes Wide Shut, the Illuminati, satanic rituals, secret societies, etc.
There’s no rituals, no ceremonies, no secret code names and costumes and occult incantations and any of that shit. When you want to order a hamburger do you conduct rituals?No, you’re just “give me a hamburger” and you get it and that’s it. That’s the level that these people were operating at, with human beings as the commodity, and there was no need for any theatrics. They wanted it, they got it, end of story.
Because America had (or had 
) a independent judiciary and a (vaguely) independent DoJ. The powers that be could “put their fingers on the scale” (as shown by his initial plea agreement) but ultimately they wouldn’t unfailingly do the governments bidding.
That’s no longer the case, or at least is becoming less and less so with each passing day
Complete sidetrack but isn’t the whole point of eyes wide shut the exact opposite of that.
At the end there is no conspiracy it’s just horny rich dudes who want to have an orgy. And paid women to act like it’s a big satanic conspiracy but it’s just a regular rich people orgy with hookers