A movie?
“I don’t think you realize how much trouble you got yourself into last night just by going over there. Who do you think those people were? Those were not just some ordinary people. If I told you their names… no, I’m not going to tell you their names… but if I did, I don’t think you’d sleep so well at night.” (Eyes Wide Shut)
Kubrick made it look glamorous and cool. But the reality is grimy and sordid.
You might be thinking of this: Mann Act - Wikipedia
I learned this from Buford T. Justice. I’m not proud.
If anything, they knew over the top theatrics would have put them in greater jeopardy. Just be matter of fact about it. Of course a rich old dude will be supplied a young hottie for company during his visit. Of course a Royal Prince will get teenagers delivered to him across borders. Of course we’ll all keep quiet about high-stakes pimping. “It’s the way it has always been, I’m just the one who’s slick enough to be cashing in on providing the ‘services’ today” they’ll tell themselves.
Do this while putting up a front that the gatherings are all just insider networking about dodgy fundraising or investment schemes, over drinks and hookers — y’know, “normal” rich-bastard shit that rich bastards have been doing forever. Just don’t ask questions about the “hookers” being 15 and not into it.
I guess it would be like saying that Michael Jordan was unique. He wasn’t unique in that there are many professional basketball players, but he was unique in how successful he was at it.
Am I saying that Epstein is the Michael Jordan of underage sex trafficking? I’m not trying to say that because it sounds like a compliment. Let’s say he’s the Genghis Khan of underage sex trafficking.
…I’m sorry but I don’t buy this.
I hadn’t heard about Epstein or Weinstein or Saville until it all came out in public. I didn’t know about Asimov or Arthur C Clarke until well after they were dead. I didn’t know about Gaiman. Or Sean Combs. Vince McMahon. Kevin Spacey. Ron Brierley. Tim Jago.
I mean…how would I know? Why would I know? The thing about “open secrets” are they are still secret. Its just the people who know either are victims, or enabling the abuse. There really isn’t any in-between. At best we might hear rumours. But thats a long way away from knowing that something is true.
Even now: for most of the people in the Epstein files the most I know about them is they might have gone to the island, or they exchanged some emails with him. Its just noise. Most of the victims are too scared to go public. Almost nobody is getting prosecuted. So what exactly am I supposed to do with that information? Is Epstein unique? How the heck am I supposed to know? I’ll know when everybody else knows, I suppose. In the meantime I’m going to shelter in my bomb shelter with my tinfoil hat, connect the dots with pins, string and a pinboard over here in the corner.
But did you personally know any of those people? Did anyone you know personally know them? Then you’d have heard about their crimes. That’s a big group of people. No one was being whacked for divulging the tiniest details. It was common knowledge in a large group of people.
…you said:
I’m “everybody.” So are you.
“Common knowledge in a large group of people” is an entirely different subset of people. We aren’t talking millions of people, or probably even thousands of people. Perhaps not even hundreds of people. In the grand scheme of things not many people (knew for sure) at all.
From context, I thought it was pretty clear “everybody” meant “everyone who was in a position to do something about it” - bosses, co-workers, press, law-enforcement, etc. Not literally every single person on Earth.
I sometimes think we take some expressions a bit literally. I just assumed the “everybody knew” was referring to those people who were frequenting or likely to be invited to party with Epstein.
…from context I don’t agree with you at all. These were dark secrets. People have died. Or disappeared. In ways that make me suspicious. And in that context, no, not everybody knew.
But we aren’t taking about random creepy guy who lives down the street we are talking about very well known celebrities. The collection of people who know them personally or knows someone who knows them personally is huge. Sure it’s not literally everyone but it’s a massive subset of society.
I was just pointing out idea that this was some kind of closely guarded secret cabal is bullshit. Within the circles in which they moved (which again is a huge subset of “high” society), everyone knew what was going on, or had some idea.
You should probably reacquaint yourself with this situation.
…again: “huge” is subjective. I don’t think the number is that huge at all.
I mean, obviously the people that were part of the “guarded secret cabal” knew about it. And that was a big group. But what am I supposed to do with that information? That doesn’t answer the question “is Epstein unique.”
I don’t know what you mean.
I’m not clear what you’re disagreeing with me about. Do you think griffin did literally mean “every single person on Earth” when he said “everyone knew”? Do you still think he meant that after he’s explicitly said he didn’t?
…yes.
I’ve addressed that in my response to them. I explained that I was addressing his comments as written, but I accept his clarification and I’ve addressed that as well.
You wrote Arthur C. Clarke as if there were substantive allegations against him. There aren’t, other than being a gay man which he chose to keep from the public while he lived.
It absolutely is. These are not obscure people. The number of people who knew them or knew someone who knew them is absolutely in the thousands at the absolute minimum. Hell just consider bill gates, how many people personally know him (and the associated PAs etc who would have had to deal with Epstein), you are into thousands right there.
You disagree with my interpretation of his post, even though my interpretation of what he was trying to say turned out to be correct?
Okay then.
…there are other stories out there than just this.
I’m explained MY interpretation of their post.
They literally said " On the contrary everyone knew . Like everyone ."
I don’t think I was unfair in my interpretation. But they explained what they meant, and I’ve accepted that.
What did they know exactly?
Can you be specific as to what exactly Bill Gates has done?
And I explained mine. Mine was right, yours was wrong.
Still not sure what you were disagreeing with.