I just now found one with separate sections for “seafood” and “meats” – except it lists shrimp as one of the “meats”. I mean, yeah, it has shrimp in the “seafood” section, but it also has it in the “meats” section. So there’s that.
Fish is absolutely meat.
Are there people in this world who consider fish not to be meat, though? Yes.
These people are 100 percent wrong of course…but we have to face the fact that it’s how the world is, however.
Then why isn’t it carried in the “Meat” section of the supermarket?
Like I said, this isn’t an issue of right or wrong, and it’s a mistake to think of it that way. A tomato is both a fruit and a vegetable, and fish is meat in some contexts, and in others its not.
Canned roast beef isn’t in the meat section in my market either…it’s in the canned food section. It’s still meat. Pickled pigs feet is in the jar section. Yogurt is not in the dairy section at some markets I go to, it’s not next to the milk and cheeses, it’s in the aisle next to the pudding, yet it’s still a dairy product. I wouldn’t say placement at a market is a sign of what something is. Fish is meat. It’s time to accept the truth and face the facts. 
And a tomato is a fruit. It has seeds. That makes it a fruit. Pumpkins, pickles, squash…all also fruits, but that many might consider vegetables. They’re not, though.
Of course they’re vegetables. By what standard are they not?
They have seeds?
They are fruits.
Do you not say “fruits and vegetables”? Tautology?
Sure in the context of “animal/vegetable/mineral” they are vegetables, but they are many ways to classify things.
This is my last post in this topic, I don’t have a desire to debate any of this, I don’t care about it that much. : p I was just giving my two cents. If anyone out there wants to think of fish as not meat or tomatoes as not fruits, that’s fine by me.
But if anyone thinks a pumpkin is a fruit, you might want to go fix wikipedia, then, because it’s apparently wrong. It says…“All pumpkins are winter squash: mature fruit of certain species in the genus Cucurbita…” under Taxonomy, but good luck in the ensuing edit war if you try.
I don’t trust the opinion of someone who goes to a supermarket with a “jar section.”
(Presumably this includes jam, spaghetti sauce, cold cream, and peanuts all together as well as pickled pigs feet.)
I think you mean if anyone thinks a pumpkin is NOT a fruit.
wiki: *In botany, a fruit is the seed-bearing structure in flowering plants (also known as angiosperms) formed from the ovary after flowering…In common language usage, “fruit” normally means the fleshy seed-associated structures of a plant that are sweet or sour, and edible in the raw state, such as apples, bananas, grapes, lemons, oranges, and strawberries. On the other hand, in botanical usage, “fruit” includes many structures that are not commonly called “fruits”, such as bean pods, corn kernels, tomatoes, and wheat grains.[2][3] *
Of course, since a pumpkin is a plant, that makes it a “vegetable” also.
*In everyday usage, a vegetable is any part of a plant that is consumed by humans as food as part of a savory meal. The term “vegetable” is somewhat arbitrary, and largely defined through culinary and cultural tradition. It normally excludes other food derived from plants such as fruits, nuts and cereal grains, but includes seeds such as pulses. The original meaning of the word vegetable, still used in biology, was to describe all types of plant, as in the terms “vegetable kingdom” and “vegetable matter”.
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Seeds make them a fruit. They don’t make them not a vegetable.
Fruits and vegetables are not exclusionary categories.
Some fruits are vegetables. Some fruits are not.
Some vegetables are fruits. Some vegetables are not.
Norman English usage varies by place and time. I’d be curious to see this poll broken out by location and age of poster.
In the normal usage around here, the relationship of fish and meat is ambiguous, and you need more context to know whether fish is included within “meat”.
Yes, but that’s for the same reason the canned hash is elsewhere. Fish has different storage needs than mammal or bird flesh. I think it’s because fish are cold blooded, so their enzymes and parasites are active at lower temperatures than the same for warm blooded animals.
My market has the canned hash and spam next to the canned tuna, crab, and sardines. But the raw fish is kept colder than the raw beef.
Yes, I know that. I wasn’t questioning whether they’re fruits. But by what standard are they not vegetables?
Because a vegetable is “In everyday usage, a vegetable is any part of a plant that is consumed by humans as food as part of a savory meal. The term “vegetable” is somewhat arbitrary, and largely defined through culinary and cultural tradition. It normally excludes other food derived from plants such as fruits, nuts and cereal grains, but includes seeds such as pulses.”
Tomatoes are biologically fruits, but culinarily vegetables.
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not using them in a fruit salad.
Words like “fruit” and “monkey” were part of the lexicon and had a variety of meanings long before botanists and zoologists got hold of them.
If scientists de use that for their purposes, it makes sense to define “fruit” and “vegetable” or “monkey” and “ape” a certain way, then that’s fine, for those purposes.
But they don’t have the authority to override definitions for less specialized purposes.
Unless I’m writing or speaking for a specialized scientific audience, a tomato is a vegetable and a chimpanzee is a monkey.
In every place I’ve lived and traveled in the US, as well as Australia and New Zealand, “meat” used without qualification does not include fish.
Where is “around here”? In specifically what context would fish be called meat?
That doesn’t explain why the two sections are labeled separately as “Meat” and “Fish.”
Next to, perhaps. But in every market I’ve been to, the canned beef and pork products are placed together, while the canned seafood is placed together. If they were all the same thing, why shouldn’t they all be mixed together? Why is canned fish next to the canned clams instead of with the spam?
Thank you for the excellent job of refuting yourself.
Thank you for the excellent job of refuting yourself. Or something.