Benghazi!

A legitimate argument can be made that had Fox not ran with the story it would have remained a non story; that other networks were latterly dragged kicking and screaming into covering the story. This is not specific to Grubergate. Many such stories emerge this way.
Yeah! Like Benghazigate! Or Deathspiralgate! Or Birthergate! Or…
…Seriously. The stories that FOX turns into stories by force of repetition have this consistent way of turning out to be total crap. Their track record is abysmal. What’s this story? “Someone involved with obamacare said some less than friendly things about the american populace”? Wow, sounds like a real bombshell with real ramifications that would totally matter if people never heard about it!
:rolleyes:

Aye, I can’t see that davida03801’s post shows any signs of reading comprehension or the ability to draw valid conclusions from existing evidence. In fact, his post comes across as having no real relation to what he claims to have read and appears to almost revel in it’s ignorance.
This post had no purpose in this thread. It is nothing more than an attack on a poster that does not even address the issues of the thread, itself.
While it may have just missed including a direct personal insult, a repetition of this behavior will incur a Warning.
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Wow, this thread is still alive?
Since I did the OP, more FOX News has entered my system via osmosis, and I do think it is pretty bad. But TV news in general kinda sucks, so I avoid it on all channels.
Ahh Snowboarder Bo, bless your heart. I have to admit this thread constantly amuses me, and your post is more of the same.
Due to the holiday, no time this week to reply to your disparage. Therefore I shall wish you a good Thanksgiving, and enjoy time with your family.

Yeah! Like Benghazigate! Or Deathspiralgate! Or Birthergate! Or…
…Seriously. The stories that FOX turns into stories by force of repetition have this consistent way of turning out to be total crap.
Which is why, especially in real life but sometimes even on the Dope, most of the reasons that people I argue with give for voting Republican are completely false. Not just loony stuff like death panels and mandatory Sharia law, but even more mundane stuff like “the economy is shrinking, the deficit keeps going up, etc.”
People who regularly listen to Fox News and RW radio simply have a “fact” base that has no connection with reality.
No matter what, it seems to reinforce the status quo. Keep calm and carry on, as the Brits used to say. No huge need for change
speaking of using bad definitions for “conservative/liberal”, as it stands now, at least in America, the liberals are for maintaining the status quo, and the conservatives are the ones pushing for change. Public schools, public unions, overbearing medical and environmental regulation, singular overbearing monetary/banking policy, federal instead of state power, etc., these are all liberal-backed things that have been the law of the land for the past 40+ years
Conservatives, really rather rightists, meld into libertarians, who are so radical and audacious that we want to LEAVE PEOPLE THE HELL ALONE. I know, maniacs, aren’t we?

Conservatives, really rather rightists, meld into libertarians, who are so radical and audacious that we want to LEAVE PEOPLE THE HELL ALONE. I know, maniacs, aren’t we?
Uniformly pro-choice, are you?
Is FOX news really that bad? Yes it is as is CNN. They both have agendas. Fox is right wing extremist and CNN is home for the liberal extremist.
“Both sides do it!”
The home of the lazy thinker.

Is FOX news really that bad? Yes it is as is CNN. They both have agendas. Fox is right wing extremist and CNN is home for the liberal extremist.
False.
FOX is Right-wing propaganda. CNN is actual news.
ETA: Go back and read that viewers of FOX News are less informed than people who watched no news at all.
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The idea that CNN is home for the liberal extremist should probably be considered refuted by the fact that pretty much every left-winger I know thinks CNN is a bunch of wankers. MSNBC might come closer, but they’re no Fox News.

False.
FOX is Right-wing propaganda. CNN is actual news.
Hello Johnny LA,
Yikes! Since this is not based on empirical evidence not so sure what to say, I don’t swing with false though. I will respectfully hold my own on this one.
I really don’t find either to be in the news biz, but rather political and corporate biz.

First off, I’m very liberal.
Second off, I watch almost zero TV news. I catch it at my parents (not necessarily Fox), doctors’ offices, and times like that. I do see a bunch of clips all the time of Fox News programs such as those featuring Hannity and O’Reilly. And sometimes it’s a clip of an ordinary Fox News story, not necessarily anything political. That doesn’t mean, however, that I haven’t watched large chunks of Fox News over the past few years. I interpret at doctors’ offices and often am waiting for patients. For some reason, Fox News is a popular choice to have on.
I think Hannity and O’Reilly are buffoons, but their programs are obviously and explicitly Conservative in message. One may blame the Fox Network for carrying such crap, but I don’t, really. There’s no hidden agenda, and those shows are fulfilling a demand for that message. In any case, I don’t think those shows taint Fox News itself.
So, what about Fox News? It’s slogan is, “Fair and Balanced.” People, especially liberals, accuse it of being blatantly pro-Conservative. The thing is, when I’ve watched it, it’s seemed like your typical stupid network news without a whole of lot bias either way. Plus, they have some hot blondes on there, which is nice.
I find network news to be boring and Conservative as a default setting. No matter what, it seems to reinforce the status quo. Keep calm and carry on, as the Brits used to say. No huge need for change, although there are problems problems problems, and isn’t that interesting? Yesssss, watch. Watch more. Consume more. And… be happy (THX-1138).
Fox News seems well-produced with competent newscasters (some of whom are hot blondes). It does seem to tell the basic news without too much of a slant; which is to say, it’s slanted toward the status quo–just like all news shows. There is nothing truly excellent about it, yet there doesn’t seem to be anything exceptionally execrable about it either.
TL;DR: Fox News is Conservative, but all network news shows ares fundamentally Conservative, inasmuch as they subtly and unsubtly validate the status quo.
What do you think?
What do I think? Some of the strangest ideas I have ever heard are attributed to Faux News I came back to USA from several years in Panama and several people asked me if Panama was under the Chinese, and admitted they’d heard it on Faux News.
Those are my thoughts on it, never having seen it my own self.

Is FOX news really that bad? Yes it is as is CNN. They both have agendas. Fox is right wing extremist and CNN is home for the liberal extremist.
Any evidence for this claim?
Had you equated Fox and MSNBC, I’d have understood the comparison. (I don’t think that MSNBC is as proficient at being dishonest as Fox is, but I could see the comparison.) However, laying that charge at CNN makes no sense, hence the question: any evidence for the claim?

Yikes! Since this is not based on empirical evidence not so sure what to say…
Did I mention that people who only got their news from FOX are less informed than people who watched no news at all? I thought I had. Could’ve sworn I had, just a minute ago.
Wouldn’t you call 49% Blatantly false, false, and mostly false ‘propaganda’?

AHad you equated Fox and MSNBC, I’d have understood the comparison. (I don’t think that MSNBC is as proficient at being dishonest as Fox is, but I could see the comparison.) However, laying that charge at CNN makes no sense, hence the question: any evidence for the claim?
Remember that many Right-wing people believe in the Bible. Contrary to what the Bible actually says, many believe that there is no Degrees of Sin. That is, ‘sin is sin’. So even if FOX News does deliberately present stories that are completely contradicted by facts (49% of the time), CNN is equally egregious if they broadcast something that is false only 7% of the time.
It doesn’t matter if their ‘pants are on fire’ four times as much as CNN. ‘Both sides are the same.’
The short answer, yes, some X years on the record. To take me to task to post a zillion examples isn’t happening however.
Re MSNBC, sure we can discuss issues, that wasn’t the question.
Oh and regarding your point they are both intoxicated with the exuberance of their own verbosity, I agree. Aka, they are a full off …
sorry missed the edit time on that, should have read are full of…
blaming that one on the dyslexia